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A List Of Some Of The Issues With Beckham's Proposal To Build At Melreese

A List Of Some Of The Issues With Beckham’s Proposal To Build At Melreese

As commissioners prepare to vote today on David Beckham’s plan to develop an office, retail, hotel and stadium complex at Melreese Park, here are some of the issues with the proposal:

  • The city’s biggest park (or potential park) would be permanently lost
  • It could cost the city a fortune in cleanup cost. The site is a former toxic waste dump, now only controlled to keep golfers safe (but not safe for development). An expert says cleanup cost could be “astronomical,” and the city would be liable for most of the cleanup under the terms proposed
  • The site is at the end of Miami International Airport’s runway, a possible safety issue
  • It will worsen already bad traffic near the airport, and no traffic study has been released
  • The developer’s $20 million contribution to rebuild the remaining rump of a park wouldn’t be paid upfront. Instead, it would be paid over 30 years, giving it an actual net present value closer to $4 million, and the city would need to issue debt in the meantime to cover costs

Even if you are in favor of Beckham’s complex at Melreese, it still may be a mistake to “send it to the voters” today, as Beckham and his partners are demanding. It sounds very democratic, but the problem is that the details haven’t been ironed out yet.

By forcing a voter referendum now, the city loses almost all leverage when the details need to be negotiated, which could prove very costly to the city.

 

Update: The commission vote has been deferred until next week.

 

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Anonymous
Anonymous

Geez man, enough with this drama. Just build it at the Overtown site originally planned and get it done already. Close to downtown with MWC is best.

Anonymous
Anonymous

How about.. NO!

Anonymous
Anonymous

How about… Shut up and go away!

Anonymous
Anonymous

How about.. NO! Again!

Anonymous
Anonymous

that site was not the original plan and this is not even a park, the river site is THE WORST and that’s compared to thetrolls that find these articles and write comments talking ddown on all his locations like you

Suomynona
Suomynona

The Overtown site is fantastic.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Every single proposal – this is the 5th one – Has been met with BS opposition and this is no different. If this falls through I am 90% sure that Becks will take his team and go somewhere else, and it will be a shame because Miami has the fan base to make this a great soccer city.

Anonymous
Anonymous

“Miami has the fan base.” Really?

You better check out what happened to the last soccer team, The Miami Fusion, before you think that.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Hrm…Miami had the highest TV ratings in the United States for the World Cup. The Fusion had the lowest budget of any MLS team and Miami has vastly changed since that debacle…bad bad comparison…

Anonymous
Anonymous

Yet another Millennial who doesn’t know how to wipe his nose or go potty yet. How about doing some research before posting. For your information the Fusion won the MLS Supporter’s Shield with an attendance of over 11,000 which at the time was the 4th best in MLS. I know because I was part of it. This despite the fact that the “Miami” Fusion played in a High School stadium in Ft. Lauderdale 35 miles away from Downtown. Miami most definitely has the fan base, if you don’t like soccer that is perfectly ok, just keep your asinine comments to yourself.

Anonymous
Anonymous

They can play somewhere else…..

Anonymous
Anonymous

Oh look, another emotional keyboard know it all. The Marlins have one of the, if not the, lowest attendance in MLB, and the team is full hispanics and sits right in the heart of Little Havana. Ask the average hispanic what’s the reason he/she don’t go to a Marlins game and you’ll get various reasons. Miami is known as being a “fickle sports town.” If a team in this city is not winning, attendance suffer, and I mean drastically. And you can’t tell me that Miami doesn’t have what’s called “fair weather fans” regarding Professional Sports teams. And before the Fusion folded, they were experiencing lackluster ticket sales and had one of the lowest attendance numbers in MLS at that time. One can only look at bringing MLS to this town a little cautiously if they have the slightest intelligence, which obviously you don’t have.

And fyi, I’m sixty years old, so can take your snide little juvenile comments and test them out on your cheap beer drinking buddies because they don’t fade me.

Anonymous
Anonymous

They don’t fade you…. ? Hugh???

Anonymous
Anonymous

What does that have to do with millennials…

Millenial
Millenial

Damn. We get blamed for everything.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Miami also has a golf fan base. You forget that or you are just blind. Built it in overtown or let them play in Marlins Stadium. Taking a public golf course away (one of the last in the city) in exchange for 1 billion SF of developed office and retail is a disgrace to the city of Miami. Definitely back $ deals going back to politicians and the first time I have ever seen a proposal that was so evident.

Gene
Gene

If he would just do the right thing. He’s a masthead for the investors behind him and doesn’t really give a care as to this whole project. Big Becks means Big Problems for us all – every Miami resident should be very concerned. Does he have any skin in this game or is he just playing for more money. I haven’t seen much community outreach to local meetings, or city commish meeting. What gives with you Becks?

Anonymous
Anonymous

Exactly. He never even reached out to the district commissioner where Melreese is located. No public meetings, workshops, etc. Super shady sounding to me.

Anonymous
Anonymous

How is it that Commissioner Hardemon is part of the Overtown CRA but so quick to push for stadium to be at Melreese?

Suomynona
Suomynona

His aunt is literally working for Beckham/Mas to get the melreese site approved.

suomynona
suomynona

Wow. Sounds like the council meeting was a shit show. And it lasted HOURS!!! Mas et al had no numbers on anything. The only terms sheet available was called “outdated” and only a “placeholder” and was essentially worthless as Mas just rambled off new, unverifiable figures. The figures printed on the meeting’s agenda were different than those released on Sunday, and apparently neither version is accurate/updated? Unbelievable. There are literally ZERO firm figures on how much Mas/Beckham will pay in their rent agreement. No figures on traffic impacts. No figures on how much Mas/Beckham would pay for site remediation. Etc etc. Mas/Beckham intentionally avoided providing commissioners documents – only “showed” them the documents – to avoid them going on public record. When reporters ask the City Manager for documents, he said Mas has them. When reporters asked Mas for those documents, Mas said his architect has them. Reporters are still waiting for the documents. A nice big run around. Mas/Beckham didn’t even meet with residents in the surrounding neighborhoods or stakeholders in Melreese. Mas also claims he bought and restored Freedom Tower and then donated it to MDC. Except he actually sold Freedom Tower to Terra Group’s Martin family and… Read more »

Anonymous
Anonymous

There is a cone that extends out past each runway that slowly inclines vertically. This is the height limit of development for FAA. If you look at the rendering, the buildings are low and take up about 1/3 of the site to adhere to this minimal height clearance so close to the runway. This is not smart development.

Build the tech campus in Overtown, next to the CBD, with way more height available.

suomynona
suomynona

They want the cheap, publicly owned land. As soon as the Mas family jumped onboard, soccer took a backseat.

They could build their retail/office space ANYWHERE in the county. It doesn’t have to be located next to the stadium. It doesn’t have to be on public land.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Amen.

Gene
Gene

Twice.

Anonymous
Anonymous

“The developer’s $20 million contribution to rebuild the remaining rump of a park wouldn’t be paid upfront. Instead, it would be paid over 30 years, giving it an actual net present value closer to $4 million, and the city would need to issue debt in the meantime to cover costs“

LMAOOOO these slick bastard

Anonymous
Anonymous

What’s even worse, the city is buying it, hook, line and sinker.

Anonymous
Anonymous

“The developer’s $20 million contribution to rebuild the remaining rump of a park wouldn’t be paid upfront”

Funny, Francis Suarez didn’t mention that part.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Thank you. This is what I have been saying all along. It will cost the city a lot more than what it will receive from Beckham.

Polo
Polo

VOTE NO IF IT GOES TO THE BALLOT!

Anonymous
Anonymous

I wonder if MLS is pulling these slick deals on other cities own properties in other cities.

Miami1
Miami1

Stop calling a park, it is a Golf Course!!!

Anonymous
Anonymous

Thank you!

Anonymous
Anonymous

Yes but it has the flexibility to be a Park. I want it built in Overtown and could care less about parks (not one of those- not that there’s anything wrong) but if you pave/build over this, the park potential is lost forever

Anonymous
Anonymous

We dont need a park that big pave over that shit an let’s get some soccer going

Anonymous
Anonymous

Another juvenile!!!

Anonymous
Anonymous

Lol… there are people in Miami who love big empty parks.

Anonymouse
Anonymouse

Amazing,show me another MLS franchise that took 5+ years to put together and no end in sight.

Anonymous
Anonymous

I looked at the poll they did. It was worded in a way that almost no one would say no and didn’t mention anything about Melreese. They are trying to trick us.

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One would hope most voters have enough common sense to do some independent research before vote. If they vote simply on the words alone with no insight they are idiots anyway….

Anonymous
Anonymous

Lmao! You’re the one who hasn’t done any research. You believe Mas and Beckham’s numbers are real.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Braman is sitting back and waiting for Francis Suarez to do something dumb.

A. Nonymous
A. Nonymous

Too bad they can’t use Marlins Park, we’ve already been ripped off for that one.

Anonymous
Anonymous

One would think that the city would have learned it’s lesson from Marlins park. Any commissioner voting for this should be recalled.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Kind of a different scenario. Millions of Taxpayer’s dollars was used to build the Marlins baseball stadium.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Russell is going to come through! Melreese is going to be saved!

Anonymous
Anonymous

I’m all for bringing professional soccer to Miami, but this isn’t the way to do it IMO. Giving up public greenspace (although not an actual park as some stadium opponents claim) and building a huge commercial complex where soccer is a financial and operational afterthought is a poor approach.

As MB commissioner Ricky Arriola posted earlier today, the new team should play at an existing stadium site for its first 10 years or so to prove that it can consistently draw the support of Miami’s notoriously fickle sports fans.

If they prove their value and staying power, then we can talk about a stadium.

Anonymous
Anonymous

How are you giving up green space when it’s already a closed golf course used by a grand total of 300 people a day? The contrast is a park for everyone, economic revenue, and use by 1000s a day…

Anonymous
Anonymous

MLS currently requires a soccer specific stadium. Though they do seem to break them when convenient (case in point nycfc)

Anonymous
Anonymous

Vote NO!! Build it in Overtown!

Anonymous
Anonymous

What happened to the Overtown site?

Anonymous
Anonymous

Mas didn’t like it.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Mas didn’t like it because he couldn’t build additional real estate around the stadium without purchasing land at market value.

mondocondo
mondocondo

Hard to understand how any decision can be made by the commissioners (or expected of the public) if who bears the cost of cleaning up the contamination isn’t clearly and publicly addressed. Cheers.

p.s. – golfer’s be careful with those divots!!!

Anonymous
Anonymous

I agree, this is a sweetheart deal to rich investors. Build it in Overtown as originally proposed where they have to pay for the land at market rate.

Miami Hurricane
Miami Hurricane

FYI: Most people on here do not understand NPV.

I don’t think you’ve honed that point hard enough.

“The developer’s $20 million contribution to rebuild the remaining rump of a park wouldn’t be paid upfront. Instead, it would be paid over 30 years, giving it an actual net present value closer to $4 million, and the city would need to issue debt in the meantime to cover costs”

Anonymous
Anonymous

Please vote this down, Commissioner Russell. This smells bad.
Sincerely,
one of your constituents.

Anonymous
Anonymous

I’m starting to think this project is going to end up in Doral, Ft. Lauderdale or not at all. Sad.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Probably Doral in the long run.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Doral is not Miami. MLS approved an expansion team located within Miami city limits.

Anonymous
Anonymous

I have no problem with it being in Doral, I hope Doral and the rest of Miami-Dade County prospers.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Doral is a suburb that pretends to be a city and is the enemy of pedestrians everywhere. MLS wants urban stadiums in walkable neighborhoods with access to mass transit.

Anonymous
Anonymous

LOL, or Homestead on the site of the failed Cleveland Indians spring training facility.

Anonymous
Anonymous

MasTec is located in Coral Gables and Jorge Mas lives in Pinecrest. How can they say they care about Miami if they don’t even live or work in it?

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It’s. Not. A. Park.

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So if they build it in Overton, people complain about displacing poor residents. They build it in a relatively empty and lightly used golf course and people complain about destroying a “park” and it’s “green space”. Never mind that most of you haven’t been to Melreese in years if at all.

MLS can’t win. All you NIMBY people will be the death of MLS in this city. Hope you’re happy when Becks decides to pack up his ball and leave. And I don’t blame him!!!

Anonymous
Anonymous

No poor residents are being displaced in overtown. The land was a parking lot and city facility. No ones house is being torn down.

The only folks against the overtown site are the white suburbanites who can’t imagine ditching their car for more than five minutes/having to walk four blocks through Overtown (amongst hundreds of other fans….ooooh the horror!)

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Most of Miami is Hispanic you do know that right? Or are they white only when it’s convenient for you?

Anonymous
Anonymous

Those suburbanites are the fan base. Most of them live west and south. As Joe Martinez said: the 305 does not walk. The season is April to October – rainy and hot. What person in their right mind would take the rail, slog through rain, sit with wet feet in an open air stadium for two hours and happily repeat that experience?! Take back the Marlins Park (we paid for it, there must be some loophole!) and install Becks fans in AC with adequate parking.Oh, and there is that fabulous sculpture…

Anonymous
Anonymous

a Big entertainment compleX would increase traffic anywhere is built or do you expect people to fly to the stadium?. I dont think the city is so stupid that they have n’t thought about the safety issue this would cause.Traffic won’t get that much worse since the metrorail airport station is just a couple a blocks away from the stadium and people could walk to the stadium,or they could build a pedrestrian bridge to this location.Univision recently made an investigation and revealed that all public golf courses are generating losses every year so its better to take all the money that comes from renting this land and all the tax revenue money

Anonymous
Anonymous

Just wondering, who has interstate in Univision?

Gene
Gene

Never underestimate stupidity by politicians here or anywhere else in this country.

Anonymous
Anonymous

We screwed the pooch on the Downtown and Overtown sites, folks. It’s either Melreese and the possibility of a tech campus and Metrorail extension, or Doral.

Anonymous
Anonymous

This is clearly an opinion piece of the TNM Staff and it should be noted as such.

Anonymous
Anonymous

The first bullet point is stretching the truth but the rest are hard facts.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Common sense tells you that if a landlord wants to rent out a property he should deliver it in good condition, so the city has to pay for the cleaning costs.would you rent an apartment that is in ruins and besides paying for rent at a market price you would have to pay for repairs? no one would do it so why should beckham do it ?

Anonymous
Anonymous

Common sense should tell you that a tenant will end up paying for the repairs through higher rent unless the landlord enjoys losing money.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Thats a very smart comment, so you would let your landlord raise your rent to repair the damage caused by other tenats.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Say yes to Miami Freedom Park!

They have my vote! I love it. Cannot wait for this.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Me too! I will buy season tickets no matter what.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Sorry but people from kendall or Doral can’t vote in Miami elections.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Let the people vote. This arrival makes it sound like the golf course should be walled off as a safety hazard to any activity. Including golf.

marc
marc

It’s a safety hazard once you dig in the ground.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Incentive to stay out of the sand traps.

marc
marc

Yes, it’s a safety hazard once you dig in the ground.