All Aboard Florida May Take Over Another Overtown Block For MiamiCentral

All Aboard Florida is interested in Bidding on Block 45, a 2.1-acre parcel at 152 Northwest 8th Street, according to the Herald.

The land will be put up for bid after Don Peebles walked away from the property last month.

In 2013, All Aboard Florida and Peebles won the bidding on two properties next to each other, Block 45 and 55, in a compromise (the developers each wanted both properties).

All Aboard Florida already has 3 MiamiCentral under construction on Block 55, but Peebles was unable to get financing and agreed to give back the property since the deadline to begin construction was looming.

 

peebles’ overtown gateway, now cancelled:

 

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Anonymous
5 years ago

More development in Overtown can’t hurt.

Anonymous
5 years ago

It will hurt local residents who will be priced out of the area and many cannot afford to live in these new projects. Keep that in mind.

Anonymous
5 years ago

Keep in mind that there’s plenty of affordable housing available. Can’t make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.

Anonymous
5 years ago

It is really easy to be that narrow minded when you live in Brickell or Venetia. I am all for the development, but I know that many people in that neighborhood will not be able to afford the new rents. What are you going to say next…oh well, tough?

Anonymous
5 years ago

Then you move. Life’s full of inconveniences and struggles. Can’t just expect everything to stay the same or for the world to stop and sun to revolve around you. You figure out a way to spin with it. Why can people mock Millennials for this sense of entitlement, but suddenly it’s such a faux pas with “displacing” people. Meanwhile more than a third of Millennials live with their parents. There’s a point there somewhere

suomynona
5 years ago

They need to provide affordable housing in these projects, ESPECIALLY in neighborhoods that are sensitive to this type of development.

It does not mean you prohibit development. On the contrary, that development’s tax base can be used to develop newer, nicer, better-maintained/landscaped affordable housing for the area. Cleaning up the community from within instead of pushing long-time residents out, many of whom are just working class folks trying to make a living and provide for their families and simply can’t afford to live anywhere nicer.

Anonymous
5 years ago

It’s a nice vision but unrealistic and not maintainable. Nicer stores will come in, publix instead of cheaper grocers, it will be an uncomfortable financial situation for these folks eventually any way you look at it…sooner or later. Or you leave it as is which hasn’t made downtown nicer in the 35 years I’ve lived in Miami. Ppl who ow there can cash out and buy a nice place elsewhere in the burbs cash. Ppl who just rent will have a tougher time indeed. The omelette example is harsh but is how it often happens.

Anonymous
5 years ago

Many of these people will not *want* to move to the “suburbs”. I’m pretty sure the people of Overtown want to live in the city just as much as you do. Safety is still a concern, but that can be fixed. But completely removing/pricing out a community that has been there since Miami was founded as a city is not.

Anonymous
5 years ago

I want to drive a Ferrari, so should it be someone else’s responsibility to give me a Ferrari?

Anonymous
5 years ago

What does your desire to drive in an extremely high end sports car have to do with a neighborhood that is being demolished and forgotten about? Your wants are not needs. Affordable living is a right, not a want. Try again moron.

Anonymous
5 years ago

They have the option of affordable living, just maybe not in the same area, so the NEED can be fulfilled; the WANT is to stay put. So why should it be someone else’s responsibility to ensure their WANTS? Maybe you just don’t understand wants vs needs…and I’m the moron?

Anonymous
5 years ago

So affordable living is not a right by your definition? Government and developers don’t have the responsibility to provide compensation to the areas they are developing over on top of? Seriously? That type of thinking of yours is exactly what causes civil unrest in communities. And yes you sound like a self-entitled, spoiled moron.

Anonymous
5 years ago

Pretty sure believing that people should work to attain what they want (again, since we already established this as a want, versus a need, and since we also established that the need already exists) is the exact opposite of entitlement. You have a self-serving way to define things. I prefer to use the dictionary and logic, which is the moron’s way.

Anonymous
5 years ago

Well, this is appropriate:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0VZj-85E5o

Marc305
5 years ago

A lot of passion here for and against building in Overtown.

The reality is very simple, this area is sandwiched between Brickell, Downtown, and Midtown. All of them are, or are fast becoming, affluent areas. Like it or not, sooner or later new construction will keep eating up this area. For those of you who want developers to build affordable housing, you have to keep in mind that developers are business people who want to get as much return for their investment and affordable housing does not provide that.

Even for those developers who do build affordable housing, they have ulterior motives. They get all the incentives and tax breaks the city of Miami offers with the clause that the restriction for income restricted apartments will expire in 5 to 10 years, after which time they can sell them as condos or raise the rent to market value. By 2050 Downtown, Edgewater, Overtown, and Midtown, will all be just north Brickell. You can be for or against it, but that is a reality no one can escape.

Anonymous
5 years ago

What this area needs is the Miami Innovation District a couple of blocks away with the mix of micro apartments and market rate.

IloveMiami
5 years ago

Yes!

Anonymous
5 years ago

I’m all for more expansion on great projects like this. ?

Anonymous
5 years ago

Me too, hopefully they get some new architecture in there! That orange tower with typical Miami wrapping elements in Garbage…

Anonymous
5 years ago

peebles has proven again and again that he is not the right guy to have the responsibility to develop such an important parcel….lets hope all aboard is successful as they can build and offer good jobs to the men and woman who live in overtown and other nearby areas

Anonymous
5 years ago

This is really good thing for Overtown

Anonymous
5 years ago

Why? So more residents can be pushed out of the area?

Anonymous
5 years ago

Understand where you’re coming from, but it’s an empty parking lot. Nobody lives there.

suomynona
5 years ago

If you understood where they were coming from you would understand that the rent for residents in the surrounding blocks will increase. They weren’t talking about the cost of rent on that specific plot of land.

Did this proposed-and-now-abandoned project have affordable housing elements to it? If it did, why can’t those same stipulations be part of All Aboard Florida taking over?

Yeah
5 years ago

Because All Aboard Florida isn’t concerned about poor and neglected black communities. It’s all about that profit for the rich.

Anonymous
5 years ago

Property Taxes for Overtown neighborhood, schools and parks.. and Jobs for residents of Overtown.

Anonymous
5 years ago

Overtown has good infrastructure and much potential. All Aboard will succeed there.

aceraroja
5 years ago

Good, that design was ugly. I like AAF’s designs so far.

As for the Overtown discussion, the idea that the Peebles development, even with “affordable” housing, would somehow stabilize the black/poor community there is a joke. The “Jazz” and “Blues” signs are Disneyish clip art and as someone earlier said, even if places like that open in the beginning, they will close and be replaced by different stuff because their target demographic *doesn’t exist.* Overtown, the community, is on its last legs. Institutional racism in its many forms, but especially the highways, effectively — purposely — destroyed it. To think that someone who lives in a wooden shack with 10 family members will 1) qualify for any of these units and 2) have money leftover to blow at a jazz club is idiotic. I mean really, it’s a scam — they just made these mock-ups to dampen community opposition. Peebles is a huckster riding on the backs of the black community and it’s sickening.

aceraroja
5 years ago

Also, does anyone actually think at this point that anyone in authority wants to actually stabilize Overtown? No. The plan to wipe it out was decided long ago and now that there’s a market for it, they’re following through. Another ten years and the remaining residents will all be refugees in the brand new Liberty City projects brought to you by — surprise! — The Related Group.

Valen
5 years ago

I just hope they rethink the design since it is not making anything for anyone…

Yoe
5 years ago

Orange walls building??? What do they think? With all respect, i believe this building was trying to target market the existing community in a very wrong way…, with jazz bar and blues signage….it is just too fake.

Anonymous
5 years ago

Thank God it’s not being built. That project (particularly the condo unit) is stupid and ugly.

Anonymous
5 years ago

Stop trying to make Overton happen. It’s not going to happen. The only thing that could possibly save that area is if they demolish and start over again…and move away form the Overton name. Nobody in their right mind associates Overton with safe and trendy urban living…

Anonymous
5 years ago

Its not trying to make anything “happen”. Its about expanding out of the urban core with thoughtful development. When I graduated, I moved to Miami and due to how much I was making, I lived in the apartment building a block from the Miami Arena. It had its ups and downs, I wouldn’t consider it “trendy urban living” but what it provided me was a close apartment to my job downtown, a beautiful view, and an apartment I could actually afford to live in. This is what expanding is about.

Anonymous
5 years ago

And you think these new apartments will be affordable for those who already live in the area?

What
5 years ago

Probably not. It’s been the trend with these ridiculous and unnecessary projects for the past 10+ years. Why start now?

Anonymous
5 years ago

that wasn’t the point being discussed here. the point being discussed what trying to make Overtown into something hip and trendy.

Mike04
5 years ago

Sorry to inform you but Overtown already “happened” and will continue to “happen” due to the ridiculous cost of near water or water front apartments in Brickell and DT.

What
5 years ago

Mike04, yes I- 95 already happened. Then the domino effect of institutional racism and segregation happened. Then came the hipsters and eventually… poof! Gentrification happened.

CH
5 years ago

The same thing happenned to the Meatpacking District and look at it right now…it is safe, treandy, has a great mix of retail, culture and housing. If your imagination does not let you see the potential, i’m sure developers find the value on relatively inexpensive land but within the downtown area

Anonymous
5 years ago

many said the same about brooklyn 20 years ago…

Anonymous
5 years ago

Overton is no Brooklyn…

Anonymous
5 years ago

Isn’t it “overtown”.

What
5 years ago

Ya think???

Anonymous
5 years ago

You keep misspelling “Overtown” to purposefully make yourself look like an idiot? That’s a new one.

Anonymous
5 years ago

the cool kids call it O-Town…….yuck

Anonymous
5 years ago

O-Town? That’s new to me. I believe everyone in Orlando refers to their city as “O-Town” as well.

Anonymous
5 years ago

You are an idiot.. and can’t even spell Overtown.