Could Beach Rail Link Be Via Julia Tuttle Instead Of MacArthur Causeway?

Miami Beach’s new mayor and commissioners are in favor of a mass transit link to the mainland, but want alternatives to the county’s Smart Plan to be considered.

Yesterday, commissioners voted unanimously to support the Smart Plan, which includes a transit link from Miami Beach to the mainland.

A second resolution asked the county to consider building the new line on the Julia Tuttle Causeway, either instead of or in addition to the MacArthur Causeway. It also passed.

The reason the Julia Tuttle may be preferable, according to some commissioners: it generally has more space available, and there are fewer concerns about bringing a train into the historic district of South Beach. One commissioner also claimed that it was closer to the airport.

Commissioners also spoke of exploring building Bus Rapid Transit lanes to provide real life data on ridership. One commissioner thought the line should run north-south through North Beach, instead of to the mainland.

 

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Anonymous
2 years ago

I was enjoying this read until ….

” Commissioners also spoke of exploring building Bus Rapid Transit lanes to provide real life data on ridership ”

DUMP BRT and just go RAIL !!!!

Anonymous
2 years ago

I hate buses too. Dump BRT!

Anonymous
2 years ago

Why not just extend the Metromover into South Beach, have it go from Downtown to 5th and then up to the Julia Tuttle and come around through Midtown and Wynwood back to Downtown, wouldn’t that make sense?

Anonymous
2 years ago

Yes, it would make sense, that is why it wouldn’t get done.

Anonymous
2 years ago

Metromover is extremely slow and low capacity. It barely can handle what it does at the moment.

The best option would be metro-rail but streetcar will probably end up happening.

Anonymous
2 years ago

Metromover maybe slow but it will still get you to South Beach. The capacity can be increased by adding a second or even a third cart if needed.
Having a streetcar at ground level in South Beach where flooding happens all the time is just a bad idea. At least the Metromover would be elevated and not affected by the elements on the ground, nor would it disturb the traffic as a street car would.

Anonymous
2 years ago

honestly. the best location is venetian causeway but that will never happen because it would be too close to rich peoples homes. it has great advantages as it is a straight shot and connect Omni area and leads directly to the convention center/lincoln road area both of those areas have plenty of multi-nodal options besides being central to the area. Julia tuttle is really too far north from the center of south beach and Macarthur causeway is kind of inefficient as it meanders a great deal and most of the route contains no buildings or areas of interest after Jungle island. Basically I say close all “non-local” vehicular traffic on venetian and put in a street car similar to new orleans or san francisco. I think making the traffic only for venetian island residents plus a street car is a fair tradeoff.

Anonymous
2 years ago

….and in the case of new orleans for example one of those street car lines runs through some of the nicest and most expensive parts of the city and they don’t seem to mind having it go there with tourists and the like. but it has to be done in a low tech, simple and non elevated solution.

BDub
2 years ago

Fine by me, but the two draw bridges could be a problem.

Anonymous
2 years ago

yeah, good point, in that case it needs to stop just like the other vehicles, i was thinking a dedicated center lane.

Anonymous
2 years ago

If it runs along the MacArthur Causeway, Star, Palm and Hibiscus Islands will complain anyway. It’s still the best route, because IF Island Gardens is ever built, Watson Island could become a viable station. PortMiami could as well, but that would require a tunnel parallel to the vehicular one because of ship clearances, but might solve resident concerns, as tracks would be away from them, and can tunnel back under the Main Channel to the causeway at the Terminal Island bend with a station there, and into Miami Beach.

Anonymous
2 years ago

Forget the “Bus rapid transit”! Rails all the way

Anonymous
2 years ago

How long are they going to argue this thing instead of just get to building on it?

Anonymous
2 years ago

They don’t actually want rail. They’d rather sit in their cars even if they are stuck in traffic and don’t go anywhere.

They don’t mind being prisoners in their homes, or condos, or autos.

The longer they talk the less likely they see any of this “transit”.

Anonymous
2 years ago

How did you come up with this?

Anonymous
2 years ago

Here’s a viable plan for BayLink using MacArthur that comes with stats, maps, and renderings: http://bit.ly/rrcFP6

marc
2 years ago

Man you just don’t give up. Good for you.

Anonymous
2 years ago

That to is another proposal that could’ve been in operation by now years ago.

Anonymous
2 years ago

Of course if this was Dubai where money isn’t an issue (and slave labor cuts costs substantially), we could have something as over the top as this: http://bit.ly/2nB05wI

Anonymous
2 years ago

Damn, this proposal is nice. I like those trains too. They Look like the ones at Disney.

Anonymous
2 years ago

Indeed. from the first link. Disney style monorail trains.

Anonymous
2 years ago

Correct. Canadian company Bombardier licensed the design from Disney. The company also built the Las Vegas monorail trains. I wish they would be proactive in pushing monorail but they also build old school rail which I guess is easier to sell.

Anonymous
2 years ago

Yep, they built a lot of the trains in NYC.

Anonymous
2 years ago

The Beach’s new Mayor and City Commission are not serious about transit.

Anonymous
2 years ago

It’s a shame, because the last administration was ready to build a rail system on the beach, except some local “activists” railroaded it.

Anonymous
2 years ago

LMAO

Miami is never getting this expanded rail. What a joke. These leaders are a joke. Transportation is a joke.

BOVO for Mayor
2 years ago

The only leader Miami has who is worth his weight in salt is Bovo! The rest are a bunch of morons.

Anonymous
2 years ago

Agreed!

Anonymous
2 years ago

Go to bed Bovo

Marc306
2 years ago

It should go via Dodge Island and PortMiami. I know the cruise lines would never allow it, but it’s a perfect solution. Most of the rail infrastructure already exists from downtown all the way to the end of the island. This savings would be used for a tunnel to Miami Beach, potentially combining with a road tunnel to alleviate traffic on the MacArthur. Routing this way allows port workers a transit option to work, cruise passengers a cheap transfer off the ship, and it doesn’t ruin the views of Biscayne Bay on either of the causeways with a rail line. The extra cost would be well worth it.

Anonymous
2 years ago

Look, whoever you are, if you don’t realize it yet, I’ll fill you in. This is Miami, and what you wrote makes sense, way too much sense. In Miami, doing anything that makes sense gets frowned upon.

Now stick to thinking of dumb ways to do things for Miami and then you’ll be considered a genius.

Anonymous
2 years ago

So you suggest tri-rail service from Downtown to Miami Beach? Since that’s the only type of rail that can use the currently existing FEC tracks.

A tunnel would be damn expensive. DAMN expensive. The distance from the Port to South Beach is MUCH longer than from MacArthur to the Port.

It’d be cheaper to just extend metromover east down 5th St and to the Port. Why would the cruise lines care about rail to the Port? Are they rolling in cash from the lucrative shuttle van business?

Obviously grade-level light rail down MacArthur would be cheaper than building a tunnel. Where would the tunnel even surface in Miami Beach? I’m just not sure a tunnel solves anymore problems than it creates. And who cares if rail down MacArthur might take up existing lanes of traffic? The whole point is to make it less necessary for people to have to drive. Also, people who must drive to South Beach (ie, they don’t live/work along these hypothetical rail lines, can obviously take some combination of 95/836 to 195/Tuttle and over to the Beach, bypassing the supposed MacArthur deadlock.

But I don’t care if it’s metrorail, metromover, monorail, or street car/light rail, just connect Downtown to South Beach already

Rail crossing over Tuttle is just dumb. More expensive because of a longer distance. Doesn’t even allow for most of South Beach to use it if its southernmost station is the Convention Center. Ain’t no one walking from the Convention Center to Joe’s Stone Crab. Ergo, you wouldn’t be reducing vehicular traffic on South Beach. Ergo, you’d have an awfully expensive, empty rail line.

I like a Washington/Alton LOOP that goes over MacArthur and connects with Miami Central Station. Then give me something – metromover? – from the School Board, up NW 2nd Ave, across 36th St, and down Biscayne (or NE 2nd Ave).

Anonymous
2 years ago

They could’ve been through building the Metromover from Downtown across the MacArthur Causeway all the way up Washington Ave in SOBE up to at least 50th St, eight years ago.

Anonymous
2 years ago

Not a fan of Metromover, however, it would be far superior than nothing. Especially if we had it.

Anonymous
2 years ago

Instead of one or the other they should just loop it around back to midtown, instead of ending it at the convention center.

Anonymous
2 years ago

On second thought now i know why they won’t even attempt that idea. It has to go through Pine tree drive, and you know how the NIMBY losers will react!

Yet Another Anonymous
2 years ago

Obviously it would have to go east a little and head up the dense Collins corridor.

Anonymous
2 years ago

So your saying to make a right on 19th the go up Collins Ave correct? I would agree with your there if thats the case. I was noticing also that they can use each of the Miami beach parking lots as possible station locations as they are almost exactly one mile apart and would not have to purchase land.

Anonymous
2 years ago

The Convention Center makes a perfect terminus. With a two-way track there is no need to spend a couple of a hundred million+ dollars more to go north and then west on the Julia Tuttle causeway if the MacArthur is the route from Miami Central Station to the Beach.

Anonymous
2 years ago

Those trees are protected, so it wouldn’t happen.

Anonymous
2 years ago

Just build an elevated train already!

Oscar
2 years ago

At this point, just buy the damn CSX tracks and be done with it. I don’t these guys to actually get anything more than that done.

Anonymous
2 years ago

That makes too much sense. If it doesn’t require dumbass arguments and haranguing over, officials in office ain’t buying it.

marc
2 years ago

Loop through the beach would be ideal but can we all just decide and get to work on this one corridor. The NW and South corridors will sort themselves out as there’s ROW already.

Anonymous
2 years ago

Beach Rail Link is the most important component to be added.

Anonymous
2 years ago

I’d rather see Gimenez shill his Chinese “virtual train” idea instead of BRT, at least establishing the ROW to build permanent streetcar, LRT, or Metrorail tracks.

Anonymous
2 years ago

Gimenez needs to retire already!

Anonymous
2 years ago
Anonymous
2 years ago

LOL Damn, I like that ad. Seems about right. Look at all that traffic under clueless Carlos. lol

Anonymous
2 years ago

lmao. pretty cool and funny ad.

Anonymous
2 years ago

The ad might be correct, but do unions have the right to attack him on transit when the workers they’re supposedly representing don’t even bother showing up?

Anonymous
2 years ago

Soon Gimenez is gonna propose replacing Buses with horse carriages cuz everything to him is expensive! give me a break..

Anonymous
2 years ago

Can some clean up I95 in Miami Dade County? Miami, World Class City/ Third World Road.

Anonymous
2 years ago

Um, no one is stopping you from getting busy on it. Proceed.

Alan
2 years ago

Guys…TBH I think Gondolas / Tramways are going to be the solution. (see Roosvelt Island)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roosevelt_Island_Tramway

They are much cheaper to build and seems to be the wave of the future up North. You know Miami is NYC younger cousin, for years all these big developers bring those ideas down South. If you look at Miami it’s starting to become a Carbon Copy of NYC. Miami Beach being Manhattan and the mainland neighborhoods gentrifying.