Brightline Releases Miami-Orlando Ridership Data: ‘Strong & Accelerating’

Brightline released its first data on the company’s new long-distance train service between the Miami area and Orlando.

The data was released in investor report that said revenue is surging thanks to the new service. Ridership is also said to be strong and accelerating.

According to the report, there were 17,578 long-distance riders in the first nine days of long-distance operations in September, at an average fare of $84.

Strong market adoption continued into October. Between October 1-16, there were 40,219 long-distance riders at an average fare of $91. Total systemwide ridership including local trains between Miami & West Palm Beach was 104,322 from October 1-16.

On October 9, the company doubled the number of daily long haul trains to 15 in each direction between  Miami and Orlando, offering hourly service through the day.

Future bookings indicate continued acceleration of ridership demand in the coming months, Brightline said.

The market has shown a willingness to pay the fares Brightline has set, and the company has been able to yield fares higher for peak trains. Approximately one third of long-distance tickets are sold for fares higher than the standard $79 and premium $149 one-way fares.

 

 

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Transit for All
1 month ago

Prices should be more accessible, I mean at least 50$ one way would be fair for the average person 80$ one way is a reach. This is just adding to the image that Miami is only transit friendly for the upper class

Mjs
1 month ago

The company is $1 billion or so, in debt. They have to charge this or will be bankrupt very soon

Sven
1 month ago

Unlike Miami Dade Transit, they have to run a clean, efficient, and desirable operation in order to attract riders.

Miami Dade Transit simply needs a vocal army of volunteers, oblivious to the fact that their transit is neither clean, efficient, or desirable) to lead the average and below average mob to demand more free rides because they deserve everything for free for some reason.

Jove007
1 month ago

They also owe Branson/Virgin about 115 million because they failed to deliver on the contract to rename to Virgin Trains. Ouchie!!

anonymous
1 month ago

Other way around they voided Branson’s contract

Walking is free
1 month ago

They wish they were only 1 BIllion in debt, it’s more like 3 and change but it’s mostly .gov loans and will be refinanced.

Anonymous
1 month ago

Herp derp, expand the Metromover to Orlando.

Sven
1 month ago

Transit MOST “friendly” for those people who have feet and know how to walk.
Second most “friendly” for those that want to use the MetroMover.
Next most “friendly” is a bus.

If you want to bemoan the plight of the average person (or below average person), there are plenty of options for average and below person.

There is transit for all in the United States of America. Interestingly, the spoiled, and unappreciative seem to expect a welcome drink and leather seat transit for all.

Here we go again
1 month ago

Do you have anything of value to contribute Sven? All you do is come on here and complain. You think the average person is an idiot which to you includes everyone on this site. The metro mover isn’t free either we pay taxes that afford us that benefit. The city is poorly managed and corrupt which is why so many of us expect more. If you do have any pull put your money, and ours, where your mouth is and fix some of the problems we talk about on here.

Sven
1 month ago

Q1. Yes.
Statement 1. No. Not everyone is an idiot.

Okay….sorry….I tried to follow that thinking as if you were not one of the below average people. Fail.

My commentary is rarely about complaining, rather, it is a point of view that seeks to be grateful and appreciative of how great Miami is compared to other places that I have traveled in the world.

To amplify the whining and complaining and expose the ridiculousness of all of the negative commentary does not mean that I am complaining.

Example: The article referenced above is about the success of the Brightline. There are many commenters who bemoan that success. Not me.
It is one of the many exceptional things about Miami. One of the many exceptional things that is drawing talent from around the globe to Miami.

“Fix the problems that we talk about on here”.
Ummm….

#1. We?
#2. When you have adulted for more than 10 years, it becomes very apparent that the “problems” that you and your imaginary friends have are not that major.
#3. I do teach in high schools every year to help educate. I’m very optimistic about the future, despite all the noise and despair. Kids are freakin’ amazing.

Azarius
1 month ago

A upper class that doesn’t want to use only for major events

Billy
1 month ago

The upper class won’t ride it! They will charter a plane.

Walking is free
1 month ago

There is a product at that price. it’s called amtrak and it runs around $35. It takes a bit longer (4.5 to 7 hours vs 3 or less ) and let’s face it, it’s no Brightline. But it’s there.

AbyNormal
1 month ago

As a parent to two school age children, this is a game changer…regardless of speed. I would rather spend 4 hours working/relaxing in a comfortable setting, than driving in traffic “stressed out” prior to a weekend+ in Orlando. Agree that it could be faster.

Anonymous
1 month ago

In a few months, I do wonder if they can increase the speeds in some places. The track quality certainly appears good enough. That’ll shave some time off. Maybe they can knock off some of the stations on a few trains so they’re only stop at WBP, and FLL. You loose 5 minutes for each stop. Another issue is that rush hour trains are sold out between WBP and Miami. This might be an opportunity to run one express train Miami-Orlando and a local that only goes as far as WBP during rush hour. I don’t think this can happen until they get more trains (on order) next year.

Dante
1 month ago

They would need more grade separation before they start increasing speeds.

bob
1 month ago

they are still only 90mph north of WBP to Cocoa, will be 110 when signed off.

Roger
1 month ago

We took Brightline train from Orlando to Miami. That was a nice experience but we were very surprised regarding the speed. Super slow. Even if that was fun we will not take it again.

Name*
1 month ago

Real high-speed rail even at just 150 mph top speed would make it to Tampa in under two hours on a direct route skipping Orlando. Taking 3.5 hours to reach Orlando at best, and 4 hours with any slowdown, is not competitive.

U.S Rail
1 month ago

I know rail is much better in any other develop nation than here. Sadly, we simply dont have the technology to build that type of lines here. However, the fact that this line opened and its filling their pockets gives them the means to keep building more rail. After that US competition, engineering and Venture capital would do the rest, we just need a few willing companies to invest everything up front first and that’s what Brightline did.

Anonymous
1 month ago

Approximately twelve years ago Florida was ready to start building a 150 mph high speed rail line from Orlando to Tampa with a future extension along the Turnpike to Miami. The project was funded, but was scrapped by Rick Scott immediately after becoming Governor.

Anonymous
1 month ago

Um, from two airports to along the Turnpike, meaning to nowhere unless a park-and-ride system? It wouldn’t even have broken ground it if wasn’t canceled. “Higher” speed rail utilizing the FEC was a better result, where everything is and streets are walkable and why it has been so successful even before it opened to MCO.

NoFake News
1 month ago

Yeah – ask Californian how that went ?

Anon
1 month ago

That was a good move by Scott. “Florida” (really the feds) wasn’t gonna get anything done. Private Brightline did.

Sven
1 month ago

How does a pro business Governor “scrap” a rail line?

You mean, there was a Government Train, like Amtrak, or the MetroMover?
Like a Government Train run by Government workers?

Approximately 12 years ago?
You know that would have been money wasted, and sitting here complaining about how “WE NEED” the train to open already! etc.

Billy
1 month ago

Actually it wasn’t Rick Scott. It was long before him. It was the rental car lobbyist that got that scrapped!!!!

Anonymous
1 month ago

Cite your proof that some “rental car lobbysit” group got the public boondoggle White Elephant train scrapped. We’ll wait…..

Anonymous
1 month ago

Florida dodged a bullet on that, I hate to say in hindsight. The UK, like California, is having problems with its own high speed rail aspirations due to exorbitant, spiralling costs. What can be done easily in France or Germany cannot necessarily be done in the US. Not a fan of Rick Scott, but he certainly made the right decision on this.

Anonymous
1 month ago

We have the technology, but we don’t have the right-of-way.

Jove007
1 month ago

We’re free in this country and generally don’t like to herd into cars to travel. Check out Europe and stay there if you like. The world is your oyster.

Anonymous
1 month ago

Agree, they should’ve built an elevated high speed rail with trains traveling 186mph to 230mph like they do in China.

Anonymous
1 month ago

A private company can’t afford to build that. If it was the government funded version Rick Scott killed then yes. All those High Speed projects in other countries are government funded then most are run by a private company (unless you’re in China).

Sven
1 month ago

Why?

Billy
1 month ago

Correct

Anonymous
1 month ago

Just imagine how much the Orlando tickets would cost then.

Jove007
1 month ago

They could barely afford what they’re doing now. Do you know how astronomical it would be to rebuild the tracks outside of the small towns that they run through?

Anonymous
1 month ago

The FRA is limiting them to a MAX of 90 mph in the 110 zone. Eventually they’ll get approval to go 110. South of WPB the MAX is 79. In many cases they’ll never get that fast. Going over the bridge and curve up in Stuart it’s limited to 35. So is Orlando Airport. Other congested area around yards are also limited. If something happens and the PTC isn’t working, that’ll limit speeds too, along with slow orders when track or crossing work is happening. From Cocoa to the OIA turn they can reach 125 which is 200 km/h – same as a “typical” train in Europe (not one of those high speed ones). The US government (FRA) limits speeds on track with grade crossings.

Anonymous
1 month ago

Then keep enjoying going through airport checkpoints.

anon
1 month ago

its slow because they have to stop for the millions of railroad crossings. takes time to slow down and speed up so they just keep it at a medium/low. If you wanted full speed it would have to be above grade.

Sven
1 month ago

Or below.

anon
1 month ago

yeah but I don’t see anyone building a tunnel from miami to orlando in this century lol

Sven
1 month ago

Seems hard to believe, but I wouldn’t bet against it happening within 100 years.

Jove007
1 month ago

It was never feasible to pass through the hundreds of small towns. How many times do you have to hear that train horn on a 4 hour(?) trip? Ouch.

Name*
1 month ago

Wow thousands a day at those prices for a small intercity rail segment is pretty good!

U.S Rail
1 month ago

All the good news of Brightline Miami-Orlando, and I mean on ridership and revenue can finally give a new face to US rail. LA-Las vegas, Portland-Seattle, Dallas-Houston, Atlanta-Charlotte, Chicago-Detroit are all much closer to reality

Anonymous
1 month ago

The cost to build the rail line was about $6 billion. It takes at least $300 million annually just to repay the capital.

Sven
1 month ago

It is, and always has been, a real estate play.

Anonymous
1 month ago

Haha, Portland to Seattle and Chicago to Detroit. You couldn’t even get a donkey cart service going for those routes.

OmegaVen
1 month ago

Carrying 57,000+ passengers in only 3 weeks of service is amazing and just goes to show people will easily take passenger rail if it’s reliable, convenient, and the price is right.

Please visit Google/Flights and see that flights from MCO to MIA are generally more expensive than the $79 Brightline ticket. Not only that, your total travel time is more than an hour. 1 hour check in, 1 hour flight, 20 minutes of deboarding, and 20 minutes to travel from MIA eastwards into downtown Miami where Brightline Miami central is already located. Tack on another 20 minutes if for some reason you have checked luggage/baggage claim. So that’s 2 hours 40 minutes – 3 hours vs Brightline’s 3.5 hour timetable into downtown Miami.

Your cheaper Spirit Airlines flights into FLL are only cheaper if you travel with nothing more than an 18″ backpack. Throw in a carry-on and you’re looking at ~+$60 each way. Your base ticket doesn’t even include seat selection so have fun with that middle seat. Need to change your flight within 60 days of departure? Good luck with the $60-$110 change fees (the latter price is within 7 days of departure) unless you paid the $45 waiver up front. Want wifi along your journey? That’s another $8. All that to save maybe 20 min vs Brightline into Fort Lauderdale (2 hours 20 minutes vs 2 hours 45 minutes)? If downtown Miami is your final destination than FLL airport leaves you ~45 minutes north.

No matter which flight you take, none of them will offer you the level of space, comfort, and amenities you’ll find on the train. The train passenger will have hourly frequencies at their disposal. If they want to change their train departure, they can do so free of charge up to 6 minutes before the train leaves without change fees (only pay the difference in fare if there is one). They’ll have the option of free carry-ons up to 2 28″ suitcases on the train with them also while enjoying Starlink wifi on their journey. Upon arrival they’ll have services like Brightline+ (free depending on what service you choose) at the station to take them to/from their destination.

Your car journey from Orlando to Miami can easily be 4-4.5 hours. West Palm Beach to Miami can be 2-2.5 hours itself. Your journey will be affected by traffic due to rush hour, weather, accidents, construction, or just the sheer number of cars on the road. The train will make its journey rain or shine, rush hour or not. While on the train the person can sleep, eat, drink (alcohol if they so choose), work, walk around, go use the bathroom, or just sit and take in the views as they cruise between 79-125 MPH. Upon arrival they’ll be far more revived/relaxed than the person who’s just sat in a cramped car for hours.

Your true cost of driving is more than gas and tolls. Maintenance along with wear & tear must be considered. That’s excluding factors of insurance (FL has the 3rd highest rates in the country), depreciation, and purchase cost. That’s not all.. There are hidden costs covered by subsidy covered by everyone, whether they drive or not. You didn’t think your gas tax covered all these did you? The mindset of “this trip only costs me a tank of gas” comes from decades of car dependency.

Anonymous
1 month ago

I think you are stretching it a bit. Everything will depend on how many travelers in your group and planning. No doubt it’s a viable and valuable option to have, but it isn’t a slam dunk.

For multiple travelers a car is by far the most economical round trip compared to flying or train, not to mention full autonomy to do what you want when you want along the way and while at your destination. So far car drivers it’s a premium to pay for convenience of not driving. If you are going solo then train or plane makes much more economic sense in addition to convenience factor.

As for plane vs train, it’s going to depend. If airfare is cheap enough on that day a one hour flight is a compelling alternative (and you can fly Delta etc, at competitive rates). Domestic travel is easy enough, and one hour seated with kids is very quick flight. I have a feeling that people will be comparing the two constantly versus deciding one exclusively over the other. Then after experiencing both will settle on a preference based on their own individual factors.

Anon
1 month ago

How’s your job as a Brightline marketing rep going? They got good bennies?

Sven
1 month ago

Nice post. Well done OmegaVen.

Anonymous
1 month ago

Train prices should start at $49 and train speeds should be 150mph. Only then, will my family ride Brightline.

AnonRailFan
1 month ago

Rode it from Orlando to Miami and back last week. Certainly beats driving and would take it again.
Only gripe was that it was very cold on the way back and the attendant said she couldn’t adjust the temperature.
Also the signage in Orlando between the parking lot shuttle drop off at Terminal C, through the parking garage to the train station and back is poor. An employee told us a lot of people are missing their trains because of that. Hope they make improvements. Meanwhile allow extra time and bundle up!

Anonymous
1 month ago

Besides poor signage, I’ve heard some people couldn’t find parking in the terminal C garage and had to go to A or B adding significate time getting to the station. The lack of parking is a huge problem!

Anonymous
1 month ago

I applaud Brightline for this service but I don’t think $160 roundtrip is worth it until SunRail completes their expansion to the airport. Right now it’s obviously just for international riders and upper class patrons.

Anonymous
1 month ago

International riders fly to Orlando.

Anonymous
1 month ago

I am flying to Atlanta tomorrow for a lower price than the SMART fare on Brightline.

Anonymous
1 month ago

Brightline SMART is more akin to business class with amenities like wider seats and aisles, nicer rest rooms, no seat belts and less hassle go through security. So not really an apples to apples comparison with budget air travel.

Anonymous
1 month ago

Atlanta is 700 miles away, and flying time is less than 2 hours. Brightline takes twice as long to cover 1/3 the distance. I rather fly !!

Rob
1 month ago

Well, that is the beauty. To have options. If you like flying, go ahead, I see other people would rather take the train.

Anon
1 month ago

Fare and travel time are what really matters, not “nicer rest rooms”

Anonymous
1 month ago

Enjoy screaming children and big mammas on your Spirit flight.

Rob
1 month ago

Hahaha.

Sven
1 month ago

Yeah….but the catch is…you have to be in Atlanta.

OmegaVen
1 month ago

Prices to other cities are irrelevant. Only direct comparison matter. I flew to Iceland roundtrip for $180. Doesn’t mean anything here..

Sven
1 month ago

WE NEED to extend the MetroMover to Iceland.

Anonymous
1 month ago

180$ round trip to Iceland? surely you didn’t take off from a U.S airport, right?

Anonymous
1 month ago

What about the court case Brightline lost to Virgin about naming rights. It looks like it will be a big bill to pay over $250 million.

Anonymous
1 month ago

I heard it was paired down to 110 Million. I’m going to make a guess BL may try to pay some of this in free advertising in stations and trains.

Anonymous
1 month ago

…and good riddance the deal was botched. Virgin ruined intercity service in the U.K.

Anonymous
1 month ago

Absolutely! There was a reason VTEC lost the contract after 22 years. I guess they figured Americans are used to poor service and delays, they’d fit right in.

Anonymous
1 month ago

Silver Airways will get me to the area for $79. Why would I spend $80 to ride the train for slower?

Anonymous
1 month ago

Comfort, ability to recline your seat with getting into a fight with the person behind you, walk and stretch your legs, a large nice bathroom, better service, less stress. NYC is 1279 miles – on an express train like other countries have going 225 MPH it would take a little over 6 hours. I’d take it over a 3 hour plane ride.

Anonymous
1 month ago

By your own method of analysis of a 2 to 1 time difference, if the Brightline took just 2 hours vs a1 hour flight, a lot more people would be as animated to take the Brightline MIA-MCO and would agree with you.

bright line blue buss down dolphin
1 month ago

it’s cheaper to fly lmao