Brightline Rumored To Be Negotiating New Train Connection To Dolphin Mall Area

Is Brightline going to begin service to the western part of Miami-Dade?

An anonymous tipster tells The Next Miami that a deal with the county to build the new service is close, citing a lobbyist familiar with the deal.

The new train service would terminate at the Dolphin Station Park & Ride near the Dolphin Mall, the tipster said.

The facility had been proposed as the terminus for the second phase of the Smart Plan’s east-west corridor (the first phase would terminate at the Tamiami park-and-ride at Eighth Street and Southwest 147th Avenue).

An existing rail track known as the CSX Corridor already runs to the facility, and the county has previously studies passenger service on the route.

Miami Dade’s TPO had voted to use dedicated bus lanes with iconic station for the east-west corridor of the Smart Plan.

Brightline told investors last year that it was considering running a service running west to Miami International Airport using existing tracks.

 

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Anonymous
3 months ago

It’s better than nothing but really wish this would have been operated by Tri Rail. Why do the taxpayers and/or passengers have to pay for Brightline’s profit?

Anonymous
3 months ago

because they are able to make a profit and are not reliant on government subsidies which spends only TAXPAYERS money!! Money doesn’t grow on trees..

Anonymous
3 months ago

Brightline doesn’t make any profit.

Anonymous
3 months ago

in ramp up…they will

Anonymous
3 months ago

in the midtime, taxpayers will keep subsidizing it.

Anonymous
3 months ago

^ “in the midtime?”

I agree
3 months ago

What’s wrong with that

I agree
3 months ago

Yes the article says an acess fee not a subsidy

Anonymous
3 months ago

The government is going to subsidize these future commuter rail Brightline routes, same way they do with Tri-Rail but add on some profit for Brightline. That’s the only way they will get the price to ride to something low enough that people will be willing to use it.

I agree
3 months ago

I don’t have an issue with government subsidies for transit bec the government alone hasn’t built any significant rail infrastructure in the last 20 years or so . The mia link is 2.4 miles long and trirail was created in 1987 do over 30 years ago.

Anonymous
3 months ago

Did this guy really say brightline doesn’t take subsidies

Anonymous
3 months ago

Brightline doesn’t make a profit, and has never made a profit. And contrary to your theory, they ARE chasing those subsidies hot and heavy, a la Aventura, here, the downtown north line, etc. Their big gamble is Orlando to Miami, and now they have to backfill. So the provider of “lifestyle experiences”, who condescendingly looked down on commuter rail service, is scrambling to become a commuter rail “operator”. We’ll see how that works. Maybe they’ll adapt. County please guard the hen house.

Anonymous
3 months ago

“County please guard the hen house”

People have been waiting for sort of an east/west commuter line in this county for decades. The residents of MiamiDade county were bs’ed when it came to any further extending or building of the Metrorail with the 1/2 cent gas sales tax and you expect the county’s governmental powers to guard what “hen house?”

Anonymous
3 months ago

^ “some sort”

Anonymous
3 months ago

Or have the station actually at dolphin mall and not on the other side of the highway.

Anonymous
3 months ago

yes, but look at Tri-Rails track record at opening at the Miami Central, how many years has it been, and still no trains??? Part of that may have been brightline holding them up, but come on!

Anonymous
3 months ago

Both Brightline and Tri-Rail had to comply with the new Federal safety regulations that requires the station and trains to be equipped with new equipment. Neither Brightline nor Tri Rail have control or a say in that matter.

Anonymous
3 months ago

and I believe brightline had to grant access to tri rail to do that work, on THEIR tracks, and purposefully held them back?

Anonymous
3 months ago

Actually, FECR (railroad) and FECI (trains) are separate companies, although I imagine haven’t decoupled completely (no pun intended), so hopefully can collaborate.

I agree
3 months ago

Thanks for pointing that out . Bec it’s the truth and most people dont even know that , and use it as prove that brightline is preventing trirail from coming to downtown mia

Anonymous
3 months ago

Hmmm… I guess you slept all of year 2020 and just woke up April 2021?

Anonymous
3 months ago

^ Two thumb down votes.

Well, I guess replying to the comment that said – “yes, but look at Tri-Rails track record at opening at the Miami Central, how many years has it been, and still no trains???” – is beyond some people’s comprehension.

Here, this is what the next to the last paragraph that the person who posted the link – “https://www.bizjournals.com/southflorida/news/2020/11/13/brightline-commuter-rail-access-fee-approved.html – said:

“Brightline has yet to resume service after suspending operations in March (2020) due to the Covid-19 outbreak.”

Anonymous
3 months ago

You know nothing. Typical person who lauds a corporation even when they are semi useless while bashing govt for similar ineffectiveness. This is all on Brightline, stop licking corporate boots even if you have nowhere else to turn. Treating them like your masters who can do no wrong. This town is full of wannabe losers.

Realtalk Reilly
3 months ago

Stop projecting. You’re obviously angry so YOU’RE obviously the loser. How many angry winners do you know?

Anonymous
3 months ago

If Brightline is expanding service and building new lines and connections, why not take advantage of the momentum and negotiate agreements with them? State entities like Tri Rail and Amtrak, have remained stagnant for decades with lackluster service and bloated budgets; all subsidized by the tax payer.

As a private company, Brightline has the motive to expand its service to the most people possible and ensure good reliable service so that people continue to ride. Tax payers have footed the Bill for Tri Rail’s inadequacies for decades. I say it’s about time that a new company enters the market and pushes Tri Rail to compete and improve its service.

Capitalism is not a zero sum game. If Brightline makes a profit it is due to the company providing a service that people are freely WILLING to pay for. Tri Rail is maintained whether or not it turns a profit. If you are not accountable to your shareholders, what motivation do you have to stay competitive and provide better service?

Anonymous
3 months ago

FDOT only cares about highways and tolls

Anonymous
3 months ago

Create an agency who’s sole purpose is to collect tolls and you get tollways.

Anonymous
3 months ago

You can cool the capitalism rhetoric. Brightline’s profit play was a limited service line of 3 stations – Miami, FT. Lauderdale, and Palm Beach, all of which would ultimately feed the Orlando line. It had no designs on being a commuter rail provider, and rightly so since commuter rail is typically heavily subsidized, although in service of good social policy – providing labor force mobility. It’s difficult to conceive that in this new role as a commuter rail provider Brightline will be too profitable though.

The larger question for local transportation planners is what’s the best way to utilize the FEC lines that Brightline controls in regional mass transit planning. Aventura’s been done. It looks like the downtown north line is coming into focus. We’ll see how amenable CSX is for a Doral line.

Anonymous
3 months ago

Amen for talking some sense, whoever you are.

I agree
3 months ago

Thanks for pointing that out . People seem to conveniently forget that brighline owns their own tracks and CSX onws their tracks. Also everyone here should do research on how long the county has been talking about an east west rail link . Since the 80s, and the county and tri rail have not been able to make enough headway to get it done. If a private company can step in and get it done I’m all game . Beleive me I’m not into government subsidies for private companies( ie Marlins stadium deal) but this county is transit starved and traffic will only get worse .

I agree
3 months ago

Well said. Thank you for injectkng some common sense into this

Anonymous
3 months ago

I get not wanting to pay for Brightline’s profits, but have you ever ridden Tri Rail? It’s not exactly the ideal mode of transit anymore. Tri Rail needs a major overhaul of upgrades and modernization before they consider any kind of additions.

Anonymous
3 months ago

Elaborate please. How much in profit do you think Brightline may make courtesy of the MiamiDade taxpayers?

I agree
3 months ago

I dont undertsand why people are against brighline . I would be skeptical about private transit in general, but I am 35 and I have seen this county do almost nothing in improving transit in this county since the late 80s

Anonymous
3 months ago

brightline owns the tracks for starters

Anonymous
3 months ago

Who do you think it going to build a train line and not make a profit?
If not a person or company it will be govt which is your tax money and mine.
Choice: all tax payer money OR part tax money and company.

I agree
3 months ago

Great point

Anonymous
3 months ago

You would rather have wider interstate and road congestion?

I agree
3 months ago

Partially bec the government hasn’t been able to get it done. Also he subsidies are not perpetual.

Anonymous
3 months ago

Can they make ONE system them served the entire community
I mean WTF, you have tri-rail, bright line, metro mover, buses, metro rail , trolleys .

I understand the metro over as it is a small area just for around (literally)
But for going outwards to destinations
Why not have just one type of train service? As bus lines fill people will want it converted to faster train which encourages more ridership.
I’d almost walk vs ride a bus. But i would take a train over car .

Anonymous
3 months ago

Let’s bring more options into the fray, and let them beat each other up to see what works. It may spur some innovation and solve a problem or two. Who knows. Better than the status quo.

Kurt
3 months ago

Most American cities today have some form of light rail, (some have streetcar simliar to metromover) busses and commuter rail . Cities need different types of transit. As you to your question, trolleys only make sense only short trips in busy areas like coral gables, Doral. Its top expensive to run 40 foot buses everywhere. I agree with you that bit every town here needs their own trolley system. As for rail , metrorial serves the urban core of miami and the industrial areas north and in Hialeah( waste of a route and planning should have sent it up parallel to 95 to golden glades) . Tri rail is a commuter system that serves more spread out areas with st more stop spacing. In Europe you have metros commuter rail called regional rail and intercity rail like those high speed trains which brighline is doing.

Anonymous
3 months ago

i smell 30 years of studies

Anonymous
3 months ago

At least . I think there may be a study to see if they need more studies

Anonymous
3 months ago

Yes. All paid for out of your property taxes.

Anonymous
3 months ago

im all for a train system in miami dade, but it looks like such an improvised, every time they come with something crazy, for massive transit to work, it has to be functional, affordable, accessible and actually take people to places!!!

Anonymous
3 months ago

Dolphin Mall, really? I know American Dream Miami was pretty much a pipedream, but Doral’s focal point really is the downtown area and a certain golf course. You don’t need park-and-ride for it, something which defeats half the benefits of transit.

I agree
3 months ago

Better than nothing. And the main point of this I think is to connect west dade resident to the airport which is a huge employer and I guess get them to take brightline north if they need to and or brightline for vacation

American Worker
3 months ago

Malls seem parking-lot rich. Hopefully this connecton makes TOD more viable in those lots.

I am in favor of governments and firms that hire and invest. Government subsidies for private firms accomplish good things all the time, such as covid19 vaccines. Direct government provision is cool, too, but trains are better than no trains.

Casey
3 months ago

so why not the airport? seems like the most important stop.

A. Nonymous
3 months ago

Service would go to the Intermodal Center. From the train with your luggage you go up escalators and walk to the AirportMover. After a short wait you ride to the airport end with a long walk to your terminal.
Or, you take an Uber to Door 3 which puts you right by an AA TSA check point.

Anonymous
3 months ago

Bingo.

Anonymous
3 months ago

If Brightline doesn’t open the existing train stations/ routes soon (WPB, FFL, Miami), it will lose all credibility of anything at all ever happening. It time to open.

Anonymous
3 months ago

These stations are only there to feed an Orlando line, so it really doesn’t matter if they are mothballed while that line gets completed. Cheers.

Anonymous
3 months ago

Exactly….

Anonymous
3 months ago

I would like to see them activate the line that goes to Allapattah too, it ends right next to JMH.

I agree
3 months ago

Which street does that run on ?

Prometheus
3 months ago

For all the folks who are saying that Brightline is not profitable & never will be, remember they are not going to make their money off of transport. They’re going to make it off of the development rights along their ROWs. As for the east-west corridor, this is something else that has been talked about for years. Clearly, the only way it’s going to get done is through some type of public-private partnership.

I agree
3 months ago

Great point

POLO
3 months ago

“Miami Dade’s TPO had voted to use dedicated bus lanes with iconic station…”, LOL.

Brickell Guy
2 months ago

Terminus at a park-n-ride? So you still need a car.

Anonymous
3 months ago

Pipe dreams.
After a few millions spent on four or five studies, it will be shelved.
Don’t waste your time in fantasizing.

Kurt
3 months ago

The route to Orlando is being constructed, so I don’t see why this wouldnt . The county has tried to do this for the last 30 years and well as create northeast line.. how long did it take the county to get the aventura station actually shovel ready? A year or so. Now there is an agreement to add 5 stations to that route . This is a good example of public private partnership.

Anonymous
3 months ago

That is one ugly area surrounding Dolphin Mall

Anonymous
3 months ago

then stay wherever you reside with that attitude.

Anonymous
3 months ago

Quite attractive from a mass transit perspective – lots of population density in Doral, FIU, the mall, and maybe pick-off some airport traffic as well from Metro Rail with a more direct route from downtown!

American Worker
3 months ago

Maybe the convenience will prompt more development that will make it less ugly