High Speed Rail: Brightline Says It Wants To Increase Train Speeds To 150MPH

Brightline’s new train service to Tampa could run at higher speeds than previously announced, a company executive said this month.

The new higher speed could make Brightline a true high-speed train service by some definitions. Brightline previously had planned a top speed of 125 miles per hour.

“We’re looking at opportunities of getting up to 150 miles per hour on the straightaways of I-4,” said Christine Kefauver, Brightline’s senior vice president of corporate development.

The company plans on building its own secured corridor between Orlando and Tampa, as it is now doing between Cocoa and Orlando. The newly built secured corridor will allow for higher speed.

Passengers will be able to get from Miami to Tampa in about four hours, according to Kefauver.

Pricing will a bit less than flying, and comparable to the IRS reimbursement rate for driving – around 55 cents per mile.

Kefauver made the comments during a presentation to the Hillsborough Transportation Planning Organization, first reported by St. Pete Catalyst.

The company is getting closer to resolving a dispute in Orlando over routing, and completion of the Tampa extension is planned by 2028 at the latest.

 

A video of the TPO presentation can be viewed here.

 

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Anonymous
1 month ago

Should have elevated the tracks. Would have been a huge undertaking at the start, but the long term benefits are far greater. Miami to FTL in 15 min. No potential to hit any cars or cause more street level traffic.

BDub
1 month ago

If time and budget were not considerations, that would have been a good solution.

Anonymous
1 month ago

Perhaps in fantasyland.

PRO RAIL
1 month ago

really, how much could it cost to fig up loose soil to make the route near intersections higher… compare that with adding a lane to I-95 the entire route.

Anonymous
1 month ago

Way more than you think.
Delusional to reality.

Anonymous
1 month ago

You forget, people on here want Metromover built over Brightline tracks. LOL.

Anonymous
1 month ago

how much…a whole freaking lot. Plus, you’re comparing federally funded I95 upgrade costs to state and locally funded surface street costs.

Drac
1 month ago

If some people don’t wanna adhere to train signal warnings, then I don’t have any sympathy for them when they get hit or killed by a Brightline train. And people come on this site wishing that Miami would build a light rail system… imagine how many more wrecks we will hear about if MDTA did?

Anonymous
1 month ago

Not just about accidents. The train stops traffic competes at many high traffic areas throughout each county.

Drac
1 month ago

And traffic lights do also, so what’s your point?

Anonymous
1 month ago

The problem with elevating the tracks is the corruption in Miami which would’ve made that far too expensive plus there’s the safety issue in Miami also related to corruption which could have fatal consequences/ From 1980s surf side tower to the FIU pedestrian bridge you can clearly see the history of corruption and neglect which could’ve led to a similar event with these raised tracks not too mention the cost that no one was really willing to take on

Jason Allman
1 month ago

Metrorail works. How do you explain that?

Train Connoisseur
1 month ago

Costs would’ve been way higher and wouldn’t have opened as quickly as it did. They did the right plan, start the service and upgrade as they go along. That’s one of the problems with CAHSR, they got ambitious with their 220 MPH track and decided to build it in the middle of nowhere first before just starting at one end of the service in a major city so people could at least ride it.

Daniel Carroll
1 month ago

1. They need a test track first as there is no place in North America to test at over 165 mph.

2. That nowhere you refer to has several not insubstantial cities, Fresno city alone is over a half million. The valley is home to over four million people.

3. The part under construction will cost “only” about 14 billion. Continuing to San Francisco will add about 25 Billion. Getting to Los Angeles will be even more. Reason? Mountains. Palmdale is a stop and to get to it they will have to tunnel under mountains in both directions. Palmdale is at 2,657 feet. The Central Valley is flat, think Florida.

Rickscottkilledhighspeedrail
1 month ago

Mean while cars are going faster on 95 in Miami 🤦‍♂️

No no
1 month ago

Lmao cars on 95 are lucky if they go 10 miles an hour

Qtip
1 month ago

Outside of rush hour I can drive to west palm beach faster than the train by like 20 minutes, they really need to increase the speed it’s not like people aren’t dying when they’re hit by the train right now.

Anonymous
1 month ago

You still have to drive and that’s on a lucky day.

Larry Weedon
1 month ago

Yes if u drive Like u are driving for nascar

go rail
1 month ago

anything over 80mph and nasty citation.
Most cars until exit 87 are going anywhere from 20 mph to 70mph.
after that, max is around 75.
Nothing near 150MPH. Additionally flying there is a two hour wait before plane takes off.
SO it is faster by rail – no luggage lost and you can get up if needed.

Anonymous
1 month ago

Not on I-95. On Brickell Avenue or Biscayne Blvd between stop lights? Sure! What else would you do with a rental supercar?

Anonymous
1 month ago

REEEEEick Scott killed a government money pit that would have ran along expressways, miles away from walkable development like Brightline.

Living off A1A
1 month ago

Actually that’s NOT factual. The multi-billion dollar HSR plan was only the I-4 corridor from Orlando to Tampa. The same route the Brightline is proposed using. There wasn’t anything on the drawing board to South Florida… only a “promise” to build-out after the 2025 opening of the starter-line. (think how successful the MetroRail “build-out” went after the “starter-line” was built!) As much as that man creeps me out… he was right… it was a billion dollar+ boondoggle… probably still wouldn’t have one stick of rail laid yet!

ParkingHater
1 month ago

gas tax baby. lowers average speed (CBO 2008 study) and forces people to consider other options (trains)

Anonymous
1 month ago

Train Ticket Tax to fund all the government handouts for Brightline crossing costs the local counties will be bearing for railway crossing maintenance.

Anonymous
1 month ago

The railroad was there before the roads. So yes… The crossing costs are the primary responsibility of the 2nd comer, the maintainer of the roads.

Anonymous
1 month ago

Brightline WAS NOT there before the roads, yet they’re being subsidized for their needed upgraded railway crossings.

Fern
1 month ago

The Florida East Coast Railway, which hosts Brightline on its tracks was built before the City of Miami was incorporated. There were less than 40 people in the “city” when the first train got there

Anonymous
1 month ago

FEC NOT BRIGHTLINE!!!!! BRIGHTLINE is the train requiring the expensive crossing upgrades which are being funded by county taxpayer funds. THAT is a handout, and they’re getting it by the millions.

ignoranymous
1 month ago

Well don’t blame Brightline because South Florida has all these idgits who don’t adhere to the train caution lights and arms that tells them a “bigass train” is coming. The so-called “taxpayer handout” for these crossing upgrades is for their protection, not Brightline’s.

Not Anonymous
1 month ago

Yes! like that people start buying electric cars and consider using more public transport. The gas tax hasn’t risen in years and needs to be adjusted for inflation.

Anonymous
1 month ago

electric car subsidies need to end…using taxpayer money to help rich people afford $70K cars is a regressive joke.

Freedom
1 month ago

Look at words in your comment. “forces people”. Because you don’t like cars, I should be “forced”, not to drive a car.

Larry Weedon
1 month ago

Because pricks are driving

Anonymous
1 month ago

lol, on that garbage parking lot, not a chance brotha! lol

Anonymous
1 month ago

I hope the Morons that live in this town don’t interrupt the service by crossing the tracks when the train is coming

ignoranymous
1 month ago

Then you underestimate the “Moronic” people that live in this town.

PRO RAIL
1 month ago

the rail is by feds usually, however, states and also counties can add citations for crossing while gates are down.
State can add ‘lose license for a year’, and add some $1,500 fine.
Add cameras at each crossing and it will either be safer or exceptionally costly.
Each person on the train can sue the driver individually for any injury ( if driver survives, if not, sue their estate.

tracksitter
1 month ago

Make it 125 MPH From Miami to Broward, so we don’t have to wait at the crossings.

Anonymous
1 month ago

The train already takes like 10 seconds to clear a crossing, calmate

Anonymous
1 month ago

It doesn’t for me. It takes about 30-45 sec to enter the intersection.

Train Connoisseur
1 month ago

It takes less than a minute from the time the bells/gates come down till they raise again. No different than a red light. Stop the nonsense.

ignoranymous
1 month ago

“Make it 125 MPH From Miami to Broward, so we don’t have to wait at the crossings”

But you’ll wait at the traffic lights?

Anonymous
1 month ago

One less thing to wait for

Anonymous
1 month ago

Argument of the century. Ten seconds versus poorly programmed traffic lights.

Logic?
1 month ago

Maybe an unpopular opinion but my issue with bright line is they are turning into a tri-rail, as in they are putting stops in every city from Miami to WPB. The point was high speed with minimal stops. If u have to stop every couple miles what’s the point..idk I’m sure a few of you will call me dumb 🤷🏽‍♂️

Anonymous
1 month ago

There will be express and inter-city trains.

Bandit
1 month ago

Brigthline is giving those rights to an affiliate company that will operate commuter rail, while Brightline itself will only run on the stations you see on the maps. They could just add trains that have no stops to the smaller stations as well.

Anonymous
1 month ago

Theyre adding bypasses to the commuter stations so the express trains don’t have to stop at those

Fern
1 month ago

The Siemens Chargers that power their current trains have a top speed of 125 MPH. Does this mean they’ll be ordering new trains? Or electrifying the track?

chris
1 month ago

Finally, someone has brought this fact up. Maybe they can buy a Dual/Tri-mode charger like amtrak is ordering for the hudson lines. (i.e.) Electric overhead/diesel : overhead/diesel/third rail power. The overhead would still limit it to 125, but allow for faster acceleration.

Train Connoisseur
1 month ago

This is the question. Brightline is planning on using the Siemens Velaro for the Brightline West project. It wouldn’t make sense to introduce a different rolling stock just for Orlando to Tampa unless they had plans for expansion later. Also, if this was a true grade separated line which is already required for 125 MPH speeds, then why not just make it 186 MPH instead of 150 MPH.

Poncho
1 month ago

While they are trying to make the Brightline the greatest railroad in a century, I wouldn’t mind a traditional dining car like all great trains.

Anonymous
1 month ago

so ~ $190 round trip, no thanks…ill drive.

Original
1 month ago

And that’s your prerogative. Now pay attention to the road while you’re driving round trip, that way you might not get into any accidents. Also pray your car doesn’t have any breakdown.

Anonymous
1 month ago

pray the train isn’t delayed for 10 hours after it strikes a Neurosurgeon walking down the tracks

ignoranymous
1 month ago

Pray the neurosurgeon doesn’t do drugs that have him/her walking down railroad tracks.

Samiramis
1 month ago

A neurosurgeon ought to know better than crossing the tracks of a oncoming train lmao

help environment
1 month ago

start looking at the gas for $4 a gallon…. 4 hrs 40 minutes without traffic or accidents. 280miles –
30 mpg car average +9 1/2 gallons of pollution too. @ $4 = roughly $40 x round trip – $80.

But you can’t buy time. With brightline it is $199 for unlimited rides for a month. Two of your trips and you break even money wise. No wear on your car either.

penny pincher… you should take the bus, with flexbus it is $22.95 each way.

Anonymous
1 month ago

>Help environment
>Take the bus
GTFOH…

ParkingHater
1 month ago

what….

ParkingHater
1 month ago

and this is why we need to raise the gas tax and lower the max speed limit to 55. you wanna drive? fine.

Anonymous
1 month ago

All adults 18 and over should be required to own a car. You wanna take a train…we’ll end government transit subsidies and YOU can pay the full price of your train rides.

Smh
1 month ago

That doesn’t make any sense because having a driver license is not a right it’s a privilege and majority of people don’t know how to drive and don’t deserve a driver’s license

Me.
1 month ago

If you had subsidies so much, why don’t we end them cars as well… they certainly don’t fund themselves

ParkingHater
1 month ago

car ownership is subsidized at every level. infrastructure, parking, hell even ethanol in gas. read a book

Anonymous
1 month ago

All adults should be required to own a car? That is a new internet argument!

Ninah
1 month ago

Brighline is just a slow and expensive train. It’s definitely not a high speed train. Go to Europe or China and you will find one. 150mph? Please, what a joke! 🤦🏻‍♀️

ignoranymous
1 month ago

Well I don’t wanna here anymore jokes about someone being a “minute man.”

Train Connoisseur
1 month ago

Clearly someone who doesn’t know high speed rail. You know these Brightline trains (Siemens Charger SCB-40) tops out at 125 MPH (201KPH) for commercial service right? Just like the British Rail Class 390 or Hitachi 800 series. Or like the Chinese CRH1. Not every high speed train is a 200 MPH bullet train..

Anonymous
1 month ago

In India they are building 25,000 Km of elevated train tracks both for High speed, RRTS and Metro in various cities and inter cities. Meanwhile the richest country in the world can’t build a single Kilo meter of High speed rail . BTW, the proposed 150 speed is only in certain stretches between Orlando and Tampa, NOT the entire Miami-Tampa Route.

Original
1 month ago

Lets see:

India – over 1 billion people.

United States of America – about 325 million people.

India has more slums and poor people there than in the state of and the entire population of Alabama. Quality of life in the USA is much, much better than in india.

Anonymous
1 month ago

In India there’s often a very distinct smell of curry in the air for some reason lol…

Anonymous
1 month ago

We can build anything. That is not the issue. The real problem is politics. One side is anti train the other pro train. If conservatives are in power there will be no high speed rail. If democrats are in power, republicans block their agenda. Net result is zero. Nothing gets done. It’s why infrastructure is in decay and surpassed by even some third world countries.

Elpit Oncabezon
1 month ago

You know the drill. Where’s the subway system?

PRO RAIL
1 month ago

just don’t have any roadway crossing the tracks. Elevate the roadway above or sink in under.

Azure
1 month ago

They should have built an elevated maglev.

Anonymous
1 month ago

Why would you build an extremely expensive infrastructure that cannot utilize existing tracks for any portion of the journey?

Train Connoisseur
1 month ago

Silly idea.. Current HSR technology allows trains cruising at 217 MPH – autonomously even.. No need for maglev.

Anonymous
1 month ago

This would be awesome! They’ve already done the work of God for like 3 years wiping out all the bad drivers and riffraff in Miami, increase the speed and we’ll get her done even quicker!!!

Eric
1 month ago

If I’m understanding the article correctly, it’ll cost roughly $.55 per mile? I guess using it as a commuting option to Orlando or Tampa from anywhere in between is out.

Anonymous
1 month ago

Make it 400 mph and put wings on it

Anonymous
1 month ago

Soon – EVTOLs

Anonymous
1 month ago

Great idea! You can be the test pilot and tell us how it went in the afterlife!

Drac
1 month ago

lol…

Anonymous
1 month ago

Research EVTOLs and see the billion dollar public companies and FAA data and applications for approvals on EVTOL taxis before sounding like a uneducated clown. They will be here a lot sooner than you think.

Anonymous
1 month ago

They were replying to the “Make it 400 mph and put wings on it” comment, Mr. Educated.

Me@gmail.com
1 month ago

It’s a slow learning curve for people to adjust to the current train speeds at the rail crossings. Eventually they will get the hang of it like other cities with commuter rail.

Anonymous
1 month ago

If this was a govt entity the many morons on here would be shouting about the rediculousness of a loser ‘high speed’ 125mph train. But no, it is private venture so no, the country bumpkins have all heads bowed and knees get dirty.

Anonymous
1 month ago

One problem with that, — with a private venture there is someone else is paying for it. It’s their business how fast their train goes. With a public venture, WE are paying for it. It’s OUR business.

Anonymous
1 month ago

If the cost for Brightline is only a “bit less than flying”, why wouldn’t people just fly from Miami to Tampa? It takes 2-3 hours max to fly (including traveling to from/airport and security checkpoints) vs. 4 hours on Brightline?

Original
1 month ago

Maybe because some people are afraid of flying?…

jus saying…

???
1 month ago

Simple some people dont want to fly! Some people are overwhelmed with airports an generally airports are miles away from the city. Some rather uber a short commute to the train station simply come in wait for the train then board. Some airports are huge and confusing, some rather just keep it simple!

Original
1 month ago

So you’re saying, some people like choices…

quiet ride vs drive and horrible cramped flying.
1 month ago

It isn’t. there is a $199 for a unlimited month riding. plus you don’t lose your luggage.

Anonymous
1 month ago

$199:for unlimited rides on the current system, yes. The system that, as of know, is nothing more than an overpriced, underutilized, faster version of TriRail. I’m guessing as soon as the line to MCO opens that rate will apply only to SoFl trips. (That being said, if you’re a daily commuter from WPB or FLL to downtown MIA, that rate is a sweetheart deal).

anonymous
1 month ago

Downtown Miami, like manhattan will soon outprice the common man…..we will reach a density where it will be much cheaper to live in lauderdale or PB and commute via brightline than live in downtown

waiting....
1 month ago

two hours early for each flight added to the flight time… train is much quicker.

Anonymous
1 month ago

The train is more comfortable than a plane. More space and no ear pressure loss. Plus you don’t have to go through TSA where everyone hates their job. Since there’s no TSA you can bring larger items in your bag. And the train stations are a lot nicer than most airports. Not to mention the wait time and the fact trains are less likely to get cancelled because a of a thunder storm.

ParkingHater
1 month ago

look at the EU, banned short flights that have rail connections. ideally we move to that in 10 years.

Anonymous
1 month ago

Brightline is about Tampa to Orlando, Orlando to Cruises, WPB to Disney.

I do not think they expect a lot of ridership MIA to Tampa.

CubanBread
1 month ago

I would happily pay the price of a train ticket from Tampa to Miami if it meant I could fly internationally without having a layover even if my layover is in Miami.