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Miami's New Double Deck Highway: How It Treats The River Underneath, And A Construction Update

Miami’s New Double Deck Highway: How It Treats The River Underneath, And A Construction Update

Miami is building a new Signature Bridge and double-deck highway. Will it bring any improvements to the river running underneath?

That was the subject of a meeting of the Miami River Commission yesterday.

Florida Department of Transportation representatives were in attendance and submitted a presentation stating that building of a new riverwalk was not a part of the construction plans.

The new double-deck highway won’t impede future construction of a riverwalk though, the presentation states. While new piers will be constructed to support the roadway, it will utilize the same footprint as piers already in place supporting the current highway.

The double-deck highway will allow traffic to or from the 836 heading towards Miami Beach, the port tunnel, and I-395 to bypass local traffic exiting or entering I-95.

Preliminary construction of the $802 million Signature Bridge project is already underway, with major construction expected to begin in February or March of 2019. Construction of the pier along the river will begin in August or September of 2019.

 

 

The full presentation at yesterday’s meeting:

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Anonymous
Anonymous

Every other major, global city in the world is tearing down freeway monstrosities and instead developing world-class transit systems.

Meanwhile in Miami… o_O

Anonymous
Anonymous

Because Florida Politicians got Stuck in the 1960s.

Anonymous
Anonymous

When are the going to die off already!! all they do is sell Gas and Pain killers to the rest of country!!! They hinder train extensions, Medical marijuana use….

Anonymous
Anonymous

Ain’t going to get any train extensions when everybody is fat and stupid from “medical” marijuana.

Nobody is dying off, rather there’s no formidable opponent who isn’t batshit insane and actually knows a thing about transit.

Anonymous
Anonymous

People are dying because of road rage and traffic violence. Miami-Dade is on par with developing countries, in this regard.

Anonymous
Anonymous

I was originally a proponent of this plan because of the iconic design but a double decker highway will ensure our dependence on cars and further prevent the development of a concrete public transportation plan. Nothing innovative or creative here.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Unfortunately, Ron Desastre doesn’t believe in trains. Another 4 years of no improvements.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Stop putting words in his mouth.

Anonymous
Anonymous
Anonymous
Anonymous

He was against Brightline. Brightline is really not a solution to anything. Don’t equate that to him being against trains.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Watch the video and hear what he says about our addition to automobiles

Anonymous
Anonymous

In the past four to eight years of Rick Scott, we got the Metrorail extension to MIA, Brightline and double tracking, and Tri-Rail upgrades and solidification of Coastal Link. Orlando got SunRail. DeSantis will be the same or better if the economy keeps wagging.

wait
wait

Heard that!

Really???
Really???

The issue is that you look at that like a real improvement. Rick Scott turned down federal money for high speed trains in Florida. We could be working toward a much better system.

Afi K James
Afi K James

Because it’s a waste of taxpayers money period.

Anonymous
Anonymous

And this stupid double deck crap isn’t?

Anonymous
Anonymous

“Rick Scott turned down federal money for high speed trains in Florida.”

…and we got Brightline for a fraction of the price using existing underutilized infrastructure (the FEC line), and facilitating more walkable cities. The old HSR proposal would have been built from scratch in freeway medians and still require automobile use to drive to and from.

Even if he didn’t and everything went better than usual down here, it doesn’t take a crystal ball to understand it still wouldn’t be built.

Afi Keita James
Afi Keita James

Yep, rick scott was smart to kill this HSR and allow the free market to work

Anonymous
Anonymous

Where do you think Brightline is building the Tampa to Orlando line? They literally ripped a page out of the old HSR playbook, only using diesel-electric trains instead of a real high speed train.

Anonymous
Anonymous

The should change the FDOT acronym to FDOH (Florida Department of Highways).

Anonymous
Anonymous

I think that the major benefit of this entire project will be the relocating of ramps from NE 2nd to Miami Ave and lifting the overpass near the arts district, which will help connect worldcenter to the arts district and make the area much more pedestrian friendly overall while alleviating traffic surrounding the area along the bayfront – and the signature bridge will look nice I think as well. The money for this project was already allocated by FDOT and I believe it’ll ultimately improve traffic flow, pedestrian use, and overall aesthetics, so it is what it is at this point, I can only hope they deliver on the timeline and minimize the traffic disruption as much as possible throughout.

William
William

Yeah. I think this is a net positive. Finally addressing several concerns in one big project.

Paul
Paul

The project includes downtown Miami’s future largest park (35 acres). To put that in perspective, Bayside is 28 acres and Museum Park is 29.

suomynona
suomynona

The “Under the Overpass Park” has a nice ring to it.

suomynona
suomynona

Everything you just said is catchphrase bull honky.

“connect” “pedestrian friendly” “signature bridge”

Anonymous
Anonymous

waste of time and money, but that’s par for the course down here

Azarius
Azarius

We have to remember The US was built off the car and highways system while other countries are jus building highways we’ve had for years on end …. basically stating it’s harder to just drop the most dependable mean of transportation for a system many Miamians don’t/ reluctantly use ie. Metro/TriRail. Even tho it would make a better and clearer environment. We’re not abandoning other means jus upgrading what’s used most.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Well we have to start someday no?

Anonymous
Anonymous

The US was built on trains and streetcars that were dropped for buses and cars. The highway system was built for defense purposes same as the intracoastal waterway, now one is used for private cars while the other is for private boats. We could easily change our dependency on cars now same as we did on trains then. We just don’t want to. Would you buy a car if you didn’t have a road to drive it on, a place to park it, or if they all cost $80K+?

Anonymous
Anonymous

What waste!!!
No one has ever asked for this!!
We are asking for Metro-rail extension!! not more highly profitable highways!!!

Anonymous
Anonymous

they have to spend the profits somewhere since the crazy laws will not allow them to spend it on transit

Anonymous
Anonymous

actually we ask for baylink

Eric
Eric

I’m from miami but i moved to washington dc 15 years ago. The public transportation here is great. We have over 100 miles of subway/metrorail here. And it goes from downtown to 15-20 miles outside of the city to the suburbs. Poor to upper middle classes ride the trains here because traffic here is10 times worse than in miami. And it goes to all of those areas. Buses run constantly especially at rush hour. I went without a car for a year and basically took the train where i needed to go. If you live in the city you probably can walk to a metro station. On the other hand the streets and highways are horrible. You go bumpity bump bump everywhere lol. Potholes will fuck your car up. For mass transit to work in miami you have to limit public parking or make it too expensive like they do here. And alot of the companies will give you fare cards each month to help yo ass get to work on time lol. Even with that great system traffic here is a nightmare. When i come to miami its a break to me. Except for the beach.

Miami1
Miami1

Wow, I give up, Miami takes one step forward and ten backwards…what a disaster!!!

Alex
Alex

Ha! One step forward??? You’re being too kind. I do agree with 10 backwards though.

Alex
Alex

Disclaimer: I’m a Miami native who along with many of us despises our nightmare traffic situation. I love my city and understand that it has many flaws. However, I am asking serious questions and would appreciate no trolls and or hate in replies. Also, I am not a civil or structural engineer.

How exactly does a double-decker system help us?

From what I understand, this will allow us to travel directly from 836 to approximately the entrance of Miami Beach (395/ Port Tunnel entrance). Without any local traffic (EXITS) being able to join or exit from this level. In theory, this sounds good but the following questions is what first comes to mind when reading the article.

Questions:

1. If there is a serious enough accident such as yesterday’s Palmetto State Trooper fiasco, Does this mean you will be stuck in that level until it clears without any release valve to help detour or relieve the parking lot it may become?

2. How long will these even take?

3. How are they planning on building this without major closures on a highway that is “almost” being completed with new exits / resurfacing (836) that has already taken more than 2 years?

Anonymous
Anonymous

1. It’s only double decked until just passed 95 and be like any other bridge in this scenario.
2. Contract time says 4 years not considering days off for holidays or weather delays.
3. 836 won’t need to be completely shut down for work above.

I’m not convinced the double decker portion is necessary. Traffic is stopped on 836 every afternoon until almost 42 ave. At this point all the cars from 95 and 395 are already there. If you are headed west from the beach this will just get you to the traffic jam a couple minutes quicker.

Alex
Alex

Thank you! I appreciate this. I agree with your final point as well. Also, in the mornings does this really help alleviate traffic. From what I’ve noticed most of the traffic heading East will turn South on I-95 to get into Downtown / Brickell. If that’s the case then most drivers will have to stay on the original 836 (First Level) to reach these exits, therefore, rendering this 2nd level a bit useless.

Really???
Really???

Yeah, I don’t really understand the point. Right now when I’m heading on 836 west the backup happens on the ramps to go to either 95 N or S because….that is where most people are going. The traffic on 836 W doesn’t back up until after the ramp from 95 N dumps into 836 W. So basically this is going to help a few people fly past the intersection that isn’t that busing in the middle going W and get them to a parking lot 20 seconds sooner?

Anonymous
Anonymous

1. Yes that’s exactly what it means. Especially for the top deck with no exits.

2. A hell of a lot longer than anyone wants, a few years at least.

3. There will probably be closures of a few lanes at a time and not a closure of the complete roadway, just like with the 826 836 interchange project on SW corner of the airport. But also like that project it will snarl traffic for years and exacerbate the already bad situation. And when done, I don’t see how it will make much of a material difference in traffic. At this point only a high capacity train along SW 8th or Flagler out to FIU can do that.

Alex
Alex

Incredible!
Yes, for years we have heard of a train running along Flagler or 8th st. I’ve also heard not too long ago that they were thinking about using the existing FEC railroads for passengers. What happened to that?

Anonymous
Anonymous

Just what Miami needs right now, another 6 year traffic project as a solution to our lack of mass transit alternatives. Sorry but this city is so beyond stupid.

Looks great
Looks great

I actually love it! good work! We can have mass transit and personal transit options (ie roads) I want more mass transit options too, doesn’t mean I have to hate on roads and highway expansions.

Afi K James
Afi K James

Thank you.

Anonymous
Anonymous

But the time this is finished it will be obsolete. Remember, the FDOT are the same bozos responsible for the Flagler Street disaster.

Polo
Polo

The good news is that there are no earthquakes in Miami!

Anonymous
Anonymous

Replacing an urban hurdle and eyesore with yet a much bigger one. This monstrous concrete tarantula known as the Signature Bridge will undoubtedly become Miami’s worst civic landmark for decades to come.

Anonymous
Anonymous

FDOT is evil.

Anonymous
Anonymous

I hope this doesn’t turn into a Golden Glades interchange all over again with a pretty crown on top this time. That is the most dangerous interchange on 95 and this will probably be a close second if so. Those double decked lanes only serve the express lanes will it be the same for this?

Anonymous
Anonymous

One person’s opinion:

I’m sorry I can’t find the article (it was posted on here a few months back), but ridership in public transportation is DOWN and WE are paying a FORTUNE to subsidize it. I like public transportation, but where do you think there’s more growth: public transportation or cars (as is today, hyperloops, self-driving, etc). I also think of milllenials that I know, the only public transportation they are taking are Lime bikes (outside of Miami), Ubers, Lyfts, etc.

The argument that we should invest more in public transportation just doesn’t make sense and is backed up by facts. It’s the way of the past, not future.

That said – there will be more cars – and figuring out the best way to handle traffic should be a priority.

Anonymous
Anonymous

miamis public transportation system does not work because it does not have the scale necessary to compete, generally speaking a city as comparatively dense and “poor” as Miami should have high ridership, not to mention that cuts to the system and the systems general inability to function on time make it unattractive-we need a better managed system which is competitive, that won’t happen under these South Florida ass clowns, look at the new Little Havana flag

Anonymous
Anonymous

Don’t you guys like driving cars? I mean I’d rather be comfortable in my car playing Travis then in a train

Anonymous
Anonymous

The tarantula bridge will look nice in the evening, at least.

Anonymous
Anonymous

it is, however, I would have preferred to have that money invested in a tunnel or expanding the MetroMover to Windwood or the Beach.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Metromover to “Windwood” or the Beach would be a waste of money unless upgraded to a proper train, otherwise we need Metrorail instead to accommodate the capacity and take cars off the road.

Anonymous
Anonymous

This is a disaster. I know who the developer is and this is fraud typical of miami. I can’t believe they are building this monstrocity and not putting the money on new trains. This is beyond ridiculus. I love cars and I actually love driving and not being stuck in traffic. That’s why I am pro public transportation, it’s the only way to alleviate this traffic nightmare that we are living in. I guess Alice N. Bravo really needs this much money for her husband’s company, yes the developer of this project. We should all stop her. We need to go public and stop this.

Anonymous
Anonymous

So you want other to ride public transportation, so you don’t have to drive in traffic? That’s funny!

Anonymous
Anonymous

He’s giving the concept of induced demand – giving alternatives is the only realistic way to reduce cars on the road/traffic

Anonymous
Anonymous

Dreams, dreams guys.
US cities don’t have the density to viably support mass transit.

Wang
Wang

You are kinda right which is why the US is becoming obsolete in infrastructure with nothing that can really be done. Americans are pretty much sentenced to sacrifice 10 to 12 hours of their lives each week on something completely unproductive like driving a car to sit in traffic with it . Meanwhile in the rest of thr rest oransf the world people use free bikes to go to work or go home, thus getting their cardio done , or ride wifi equipped buses trams and subways so-they get all their post work emails and reports done before getting home. We get neithet done.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Oh, did you mention some socialist ideas? Shame on you.

Interested
Interested

WHERE IS THE RAIL CORRIDOR LINE?…TOLL RECEIPTS MUST GO TO METRORAIL EXPANSION…..NOT THIS MONSTROSITY.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Double deck I95 as well.

Anonymous
Anonymous

GTFO!

Anonymous
Anonymous

No you do and public transit usage in Miami-Dade is still declining.

Anonymous
Anonymous

It is declining because Fucking Carlos Jimenez and the rest of the Suburban Plantain eaters Miami politicians refuse to invest a penny in a transportation system which was designed to reinforce the Jim Crow era stigma that only poor people and minorities will use it because they can’t afford a car.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Imagine being racist against suburban hispanics by calling them plantain eaters and then talk about jim crow for no reason and then talk about minorities when thats the majority of the county. Learn how to give a rational rebuttal without using race and ethnicity as a talking point.

Anonymous
Anonymous

I’m Cuban and while you’re right regarding your last sentence, I still thought his post above was funny.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Same here, but it would of been funnier if he would of said ” fried plantain eaters “

Anonymous
Anonymous

would have, my friend, would have

Anonymous
Anonymous

Hey, I love my maduros and when it comes to Tostones…
Call me what you want.
Pass me the plate

Anonymous
Anonymous

I’m Cuban, so I know what I’m talking about. Here are the rules the Sweet Abuelitas and Abuelitos teach to the newly arrived Cubans.

1-Vote Republican
2-All the other Hispanic are Indios
3-Don’t go to El Barrio De los Negros.

And please mention one single thing that Carlos Jimenez, Jose Carollo, the Fucking Balart Bros, etc have ever accomplished for the wellbeing of the community.

Anonymous
Anonymous

This is why Miami is stuck with its ignorant 1950s politicians! I.e. Souto, Sosa, Martinez, Carrollo, Gort…etc… to many to list. All of these politicans have held back either the City of Miami or the county itself.

Anonymous
Anonymous

We only pay attention to the presidential elections, without realizing that we are more affected by the results of the local ones.
Nothing is going to change if we stay home and let the older generations to decide Miami’s Fate.

Anonymous
Anonymous

That’s funny.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Tell your Cuban abuelita she’s a fucking ignorant racist.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Hahahaha
I still love her

Anonymous
Anonymous

Well the old Cuban guard keeps Miami from liberals, as they’d give it to the “other” Hispanics who will turn it into a giant favela where the only public transportation is car jacking.

Anonymous
Anonymous

It is declining because Metrorail hasn’t been expanded and upgraded as it should, and consequently not enough redevelopment has occurred to create a walkable environment around stations, still making park-and-ride dependent or buses with divers who don’t show up to work.

Anonymous
Anonymous

All development has gone to Doral, Aventura, Miramar and Coral Gables.
No mass transit in any of these cities.

Anonymous
Anonymous

You’re so eloquent.
Please wash your mouth. Be creative with your use of adjectives…

Anonymous
Anonymous

Flying Uber’s and Taxis are the future.. what we need are more landing pads

Anonymous
Anonymous

Lets put that landing pad in front of your house! See if you like flying taxi then! Stupid idea all around!

Anonymous
Anonymous

I think he was joking.

Anonymous
Anonymous

High Rise buildings could renovate their roofs.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Thats not a argument.

Anonymous
Anonymous

seattle has double decker highways that work well – though wouldn’t want to be on one in an earthquake. seems like they could make more use of them in miami, though more mass transit is needed first.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Seattle is dismantling its only double-decker highway (The Alaskan Viaduct) in phases and burying it underground.

At the same time, the city is rapidly expanding its light rail and commuter system with the goal of doubling stations by 2030.

Source: https://www.soundtransit.org/system-expansion

Anonymous
Anonymous

geographically vastly different

Anonymous
Anonymous

This is Miami!

Anonymous
Anonymous

Miami Winning !!!

Anonymous
Anonymous

Not an argument.

Master Angler
Master Angler

Big fan of the project, would like to see a triple or quadruple deck. Self driving cars are already here, and they will represent 90%+ of all cars on the road by the end of 2020. Why invest in public transportation (that will take 5-10 years) when self-driving cars are going to solve all our traffic woes?

Save the city some time and money, build more double decker and triple deck highways, coupled with the self-driving car, and we will have the least amount of traffic in the country.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Is Crack trendy again?

Yet Another Anonymous
Yet Another Anonymous

Yes and apparently cocaine is increasing in quantity and purity.

Anonymous
Anonymous

” would like to see a triple or quadruple deck ” ” build more double decker and triple deck highways ”

I think you’re just hungry for a double deck triple deck cheeseburger. Easy on the weed bro and go eat something.

Anonymous
Anonymous

“Self driving cars are already here, and they will represent 90%+ of all cars on the road by the end of 2020.”

And I’ll be a billionaire and married to Diletta Leotta in 2020…

Really???
Really???

How do self driving cars solve our traffic problems? If you swap out a regular car for a self-driving car traffic stays the same. I guess you can read a book while you wait?

Anonymous
Anonymous

How about flying cars?