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Related Group President: Time To Get Serious About Biscayne Line

Related Group President: Time To Get Serious About Biscayne Line

Carlos Rosso, President of Related Group, has a message for the City of Miami: It’s time to get serious about building the Biscayne Line.

Rosso told The Next Miami that the city needs a world class public walkway, similar to the Highline in New York or the Beltline in Atlanta, both of which proved an instant success. “It will be great to be able to jog or bike from downtown to the Design District,” he said.

To accomplish this, the city should hire one person to oversee the project, according to Rosso. Costs could be covered by permit fees paid by developers.

In Edgewater, Related Group has now completed a 300-foot baywalk at Icon Bay, and a 500-foot baywalk at Paraiso Bay. Both have adjacent amenities, including a public park at Icon Bay and Michael Schwartz’s Amara Restaurant at Paraiso Bay.

Other bayfront projects in Edgewater include Biscayne Beach, Crimson, and Onyx on the Bay. Soon Missoni, OKO Group’s Jesuit site, Genting’s Resorts World Miami, Elysee and a block owned by Melo Group will all be developed.

In Atlanta and New York, the investment made by the city has been paid tenfold by the increase in property values and property taxes. Restaurants and shops have flourished creating even more income and jobs. A public Biscayne Line will make Miami an even more desirable and memorable tourist destination, connecting parks and museums like the Pérez Art Museum and the Frost Science Museum with the Design District. Its a win-win for the city and residents of Edgewater, Rosso said.

Two newly elected commissioners disagree on the need for a baywalk. Joe Carollo and Manolo Reyes killed a recent proposal by commissioner Ken Russell to issue $25 million in bonds to fund construction. Both want the city to spend all available funds on affordable housing projects, with Carollo even pushing for the city to liquidate assets to fund new public housing.

The project website is biscaynelinemiami.com.

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Anonymous
Anonymous

A fully connected baywalk and river walk would help alleviate traffic and add to the quality of life us as residents deserve to really take advantage of our Amazing waterfront land – please prioritize this!!

Anonymous
Anonymous

As a local resident, I fully support the bay and river walk initiatives. As for improving traffic, I think improvements would be marginal at best. Traffic can only be improved with traffic-segregated public transit, and new roadways – particularly highway access structures, and tunnels.

Anonymous
Anonymous

I’m definitely not saying it’s be the ultimate traffic buster, but it would remove a few car trips and encourage people to at least consider walking or biking to their destination especially if the route is fully connected and integrated into various neighborhoods and the waterfront views don’t hurt either 🙂

marc
marc

The effect on street traffic would be minimal at best.

anonymous
anonymous

I completely disagree. I see it here in Atlanta. The beltline has reduced traffic. I work in real estate.. this is what I am studying here. I came to ATL for a year precisely to analyze the market here. The way they are building here in Atlanta is pretty great, and Miami is a million times much better place to live. That walkway would alleviate traffic, especially on the weekends.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Only if it has connectivity. Most bike/ped infrastructure in Miami randomly start/stop thus useless for going anywhere.

Anonymous
Anonymous

No way, what you are depicting is thousands of people cummuting by bike using a bycicle highway? Nope. And especially in miami . Not the culture nor weather . Unfortunately this is not holland.

suomynona
suomynona

Are you proposing Baywalk and Riverwalk be turned into roadways?

Because that’s the only way they’ll “eliminate” any traffic.

Anonymous
Anonymous

How do you get eliminate from alleviate?

suomynona
suomynona

It doesn’t change my question.

Waterboy
Waterboy

Well your question sucks. Theoretically yes a project like this would take cars off the road. Satisfies the definition of alleviate.

Anonymous
Anonymous

LOL. Nobody is going to be using the bay walk to go to work. It’s mostly for leisure and exercise. Let’s be real.

drive less walk more
drive less walk more

The point is that this walkway will introduce the option to walk/bike to a destination near the water instead of having to drive there without having the choice and you would assume that at least some people would choose not to drive. Most likely it won’t affect rush hour noticeably but any incremental decrease in cars is a great thing besides the health aspect even if it is only mostly use as leisure. I don’t trust riding my bike on Biscayne but would love to bike from Brickel to Edgewater near the water without having to deal with these crazy drivers…

Anonymous
Anonymous

Would be nice, but no , will not alleviate traffic. Thats the dumbest thing ive heard.

Miami Hurricane
Miami Hurricane

For cyclists (noobs to regular commuters), it’s a much more friendly option than trying to use bike lanes with Miami drivers

Anonymous
Anonymous

Well said.

suomynona
suomynona

“Derr Durr, you suck.” Cool story.

It will not alleviate traffic and only fools would think otherwise.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Well said! There are a few dumb dumbs in this site

Anonymous
Anonymous

Maybe one car…if youre lucky. Its dumb to suggest this initiative will ” alleviate ” traffic. There is that correct “alleviate”

Anonymous
Anonymous

Real cities can walk and chew gum at the same time. Miami needs “Biscayne Line” and it need public housing. It should not be one or the other it should be both. Miami could have one of the most beautiful bay fronts and river walks in the world. I have been to both the one in NYC and Atlanta as well as the river in San Antonio. We can do the same here, put it on a ballot in November and let the people decide.

Anonymous
Anonymous

The developers have enough money to pay for it without issuing government bonds, let it be privately financed

Anonymous
Anonymous

Narrow minded.
Developers are already giving land and building it.
Only thing needed from the city is to connect all the pieces ao we can wnjoy it sooner rather than later

Anonymous
Anonymous

In a way…
Private property owners should not be REQUIRED to give up their land to the gov’t or the “public good”. However, if the private property owner applies for a density increase or a variance, they can be compelled to provide a waterfront easement. On the Miami River, that number is a 50ft compulsory setback for the Miami River Greenway.

Anonymous
Anonymous

I agree 100%

Anonymous
Anonymous

Either public housing or walkway by the water. What a narrow minded stupid way to think about the future of Miami.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Which one would you prefer?

BDub
BDub

I believe the point is let’s find a way to do both rather than one being at expense of the other.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Guess what!
We wont see neither solve in the next 10 years to come, for one single reason: They will politicize both of these issues, resulting in a typical pile of lame excuses.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Again! Put in on the ballot and let the people decide.

marc
marc

Carollo needs to stfu.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Why? Carollo is right, the city needs new public housing asap.

marc
marc

Selling off assets is short sighted as can be and spending all available funds on affordable housing is ridiculous as well. No one is saying not to do anything about affordable housing. A baywalk and/or riverwalk benefits all citizens by the way.

Anonymous
Anonymous

How can a baywalk and/or riverwalk benefit all the citizens of this city when you have people struggling with paying for the basics necessities because their rent is so high?

ILoveMiami
ILoveMiami

The fact that some can’t afford basic necessities stems partly from their lack of education/not speaking the language/not properly preparing for their adult lives when they were younger and a myriad of other reasons. That should not stop any city from working to develop parks/walks/museums/sports arenas and other public spaces to be enjoyed by all, including those struggling to make it. Yes, one of the signs of a great society/city is how they treat those who are less fortunate, but never at the total expense of others. Harsh, yes. Harsher still in other parts of the world.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Omg! So many selfish readers, you guys disgust me…all about me me me. Screw the poor right? Disgusting

Anonymous
Anonymous

Exactly. Carollo wants to sell off assets. What happens when we need those assets in the future. Public housing and Baywalk is not an either/or proposition. We can have both. We just need leaders who will fight for both.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Agreed.
I bet they can use the tax increments Edgewater will get to issue a bond for affordable housing.

Probably creating new jobs along the Baywalk in restaurants , offices and other uses could help the affordable housing issue.

Anonymous
Anonymous

I just want a baywalk ….and justify not building housing fir the poor…you miamians are the worst

Anonymous
Anonymous

Wow are there are a lot of selfish readers here. Carollo is doing right, trying to put a roof over underserved families as higher priority than a baywalk for you to use …

Anonymous
Anonymous

At the expense of the taxpayer. Why should our tax money go to housing someone who probably adds zero value to society rather than build something that benefits all of the community first. Just because your poor doesn’t mean I should take care of you.

Anonymous
Anonymous

*you’are

Anonymous
Anonymous

you’re

Anonymous
Anonymous

You need to go to church ..and pray that someday you dont suffer a musfortune and need empathy fome someone like you.

BDub
BDub

The city (and county) need affordable housing convenient to jobs. Public housing alone can’t provide that.
Additional approaches could be:
* Developer incentives like bonus floors for including workforce-rate rentals
* School District’s proposal to build housing on school grounds
* Convert Metro station surface lots to garages with housing above.
* Encourage development of non-luxury buildings (although I don’t know what’s possible for that)

Anonymous
Anonymous

1. Eliminate the gov’t imposed minimum size for a living unit. (Let the market decide)
2. Eliminate the gov’t imposed minimum number of parking spaces per unit. (Let the market decide if on site park is absolutely necessary.)
3. Increase density around all Metro rail stops, and do not require parking. (Let the market decide if on site park is absolutely necessary.)

More units will be built more cheaply. Voila…affordable housing.

Anonymous
Anonymous

agree on #2 and #3.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Absolutely right!!! Do these things now!!

Anonymous
Anonymous

In the meantime…use funds for baywalks to finance affordable housing

Anonymous
Anonymous

Couldn’t have said it better myself.

Anonymous
Anonymous

How does anyone with a name like”Carollo” sneak back into Miami politics? Obviously they didn’t get enough of the first Carollo back in the 90s. Two short sighted idiots. The Biscayne Line would be an awesome addition to downtown and it’s coastal neighborhoods. One concern would be the very close proximity to the water. Beautiful in calm weather,not so great during severe hurricanes.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Hahaha me me me …screw the poor.

Magazine
Magazine

This absolutely would improve traffic. Electric scooters / bikes are quickly becoming the next Uber, and have received hundreds of millions of dollars in venture capital funding, and have launched in San Fran, LA, Santa Monica, etc. If living in Edgewater, I would absolutely rather commute to downtown / brickell on an electric scooter along a pedestrian baywalk vs. sitting in traffic in a car.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Um, you can already do that now.

Anonymous
Anonymous

You so full of shit

Anonymous
Anonymous

Carollo is a creep who cheated his way to election by claiming to live in Brickell, when FPL records show otherwise (see Miami Herald articles). Reyes, I’ve seen speak at meetings and he just likes to hear himself talk. Reyes seems nice enough, but he lacks vision and gets bogged down into tiny details, such as the hours home depot trucks come to delivery new inventory. Both men are old and lack any kind of vision about what it takes to be a great city.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Build some quality spaces for Miami residents to get out and enjoy the city!

Anonymous
Anonymous

What would you recommend?

Anonymous
Anonymous

I highly encourage anyone to go to Atlanta and experience The Beltline for yourself. It has completely revitalized and transformed Atlanta neighborhoods. It’s packed with walkers joggers cyclists not to mention the shops and cafés and development it’s created. The project is a result of a Georgia Tech student’s thesis

https://beltline.org/about/the-atlanta-beltline-project/atlanta-beltline-overview/

Anonymous
Anonymous

Thanks for the link. Never heard of the Belt Line.

I think an important part is the belt line offers connectivity to many areas — whereas in Miami we tend to get bits and spurts which no connections which make them useful.

Pay attention to bike lanes in the area to see a good example. Random starts and stops which make them completely useless.

anonymous
anonymous

I agree. I am in Atlanta right now and I love the belt line. And it’s not as beautiful as the walkway in Edgewater could be… walking along the Bay WOW! All those who doubt it’s success are nuts. If it is successful in ATL where you are walking along old train tracks… it would be a HUGE success along the bay.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Looking at Joe Carollo and Manolo Reyes I am sure they have never walked in their life … They could use some walking in this badly needed Baywalk! Build this!

Anonymous
Anonymous

This will be nice for entire public but especially those living in the area.. Miami is raking in property taxes in Edgewater with all the new construction.. impact fees should cover the cost of connecting all the walkways together.

La Mala
La Mala

I reside on the Venetian Causeway while the foot traffic is immense it dies on Biscayne it would really add up to the quality of life of everyone around here. Would bikes be allowed on here? I see families coming to the area and renting DecoBikes, its a beautiful area with great views. I tried twice to get on in front of Mike’s and they are always sold out.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Time for related to stop building “compounds” all throughout the city with thousands of parking spaces in non-pedestrian friendly pedestals.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Yes!!! He has a lot of nerve lecturing!

Anonymous
Anonymous

How would you know that a pedestal is non-pedestrian friendly… did one slap you upside the head when you were walking by one day?

Anonymous
Anonymous

baywalk, riverwalk and public housing, Miami needs and should have them all. if we want miami to be taken seriously as a city, we need to start thinking larger, future and comprehensively, that either/or mentality is so narrow!!!

Anonymous
Anonymous

If the developers ask for it it’ll get done in a jiff

Anonymous
Anonymous

The difference between the Biscayne Line and the Highline and Beltline is that the Biscayne Line goes through already highly sought after real estate.

The whole point of these things is to revitalize; you don’t need to incentivize people to use waterfront property. Make the Biscayne Line, but have it loop into the interior areas that actually need it.

Urban light
Urban light

Atlanta? The least densly populated city in the US. If transit works there, it will work anywhere. Live to see something like the beltline under the metrorail. Absolutely!!!

Anonymous
Anonymous

Am I the only one that see that the 2 kids from the comercial of Hollywood Kia have teeth like Sharks… and they look like Congresswoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz?

Anonymous
Anonymous

Perfect compromise: city will build bay walk if the developers include affordable housing inherited projects. Of course that won’t happen because the developers don’t want affordable housing on their property but they want the city to pay for the bay walk amenity. The more I think about it it is the developers who are being short sighted here

Anonymous
Anonymous

Funny, seems like just yesterday we had commenters on the TNM calling developers like the Related Group “greedy developers.” Now we have some of these same people cheering for Related because of this “Beltline” thing they’re pushing.

Miami has so many fickle people.

Flymia
Flymia

A Baywalk would be fantastic. But I agree with the commissioners that it should be mostly private funding. It will only help the property values. It does help the area in general. But the top gainers will be private business and residential values. Obviously this helps the city gain funds as well.

There needs to be a good way to fund it with fees and private funds to the city. Not just a straight out bond.

As the others said, affordable housing is a crisis in Miami.

Flymia
Flymia

Selling off assists though. That is straight out dumb.

anonymous
anonymous

I agree. I am in Atlanta right now. The beltline here is the place to be. Living in Inman Park is by far the best location to live in Atlanta. And I have to say there is nothing pretty about the beltline. But it is a convenient path to walk on, ride bike, jog, etc. Weekends it is the place to be. The beltline connects you to bars, restaurants, shops, and the homes, apartment buildings nearby. The walkability is amazing!!! Having a similar walkway/path on the bay in Miami… that would be a HUGE game changer for Edgewater.

Anonymous
Anonymous

I visited Atlanta’s Belt Line last month, and I was totally disappointed by its appearance. Very disjointed, lots of blank spaces, very little, if any public art. It does not have that feel of being a special place. In contrast, take a look at Chicago’s. Very classy, lots of exceptional art works, no gaps. I especially loved the Lake’s edge neatly scalloped with clean white sand. The restaurants are exceptional.
Miami’s Baywalk could become a world class place to be as well, but it also lacks connectivity. We’ve read so much about it, but rarely are there pictures of any of it. I suspect much of it is short of good design, good art and good culinary choices. With the backdrop of Biscayne bay, it’s definitely a missed opportunity.

Anonymous
Anonymous

“Reyes killed a recent proposal by commissioner Ken Russell to issue $25 million in bonds to fund construction. Both want the city to spend all available funds on affordable housing projects, with Carollo even pushing for the city to liquidate assets to fund new public housing.”

Hey Ken Russell, get your priorities straight. Low income people in this city need new housing like, real bad!

marc
marc

He is as well.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Oh please marc, Carlos Rosso and the Related Group are only looking out for the buyers in their new projects along the bay.

marc
marc

I’m talking Ken Russell. He’s fighting for both. Look at what he’s trying to do for affordable housing in Coconut Grove.

Anonymous
Anonymous

You obviously have no background in city planning or urban development. I highly encourage you to go to Atlanta and experience The Beltline for yourself. It has completely revitalized and transformed Atlanta neighborhoods. It’s packed with walkers joggers cyclists not to mention the shops and cafés and development it’s created. The project is a result of a Georgia Tech student’s thesis.

https://beltline.org/about/the-atlanta-beltline-project/atlanta-beltline-overview/

Anonymous
Anonymous

Typical narrow minded comment. Other bayfront projects in Edgewater include Biscayne Beach, Crimson, and Onyx on the Bay. Soon Missoni, OKO Group’s Jesuit site, Genting’s Resorts World Miami, Elysee and a block owned by Melo Group will all be developed.
PLUS IT WILL BENEFIT EVERYONE THAT WANTS TO USE IT.

suomynona
suomynona

The increase in property values would lead to an increase in taxes which would would lead to more available money for affordable housing.

Oscar
Oscar

Yes.

Anonymous
Anonymous

and increased housing prices / rents which leads to decrease in affordable housing.

Anonymous
Anonymous

You’re right.