Route Of Genting’s Baylink Monorail Proposal Revealed, Transit Oriented Development Expected At Resorts World

The route of Genting’s proposed Baylink monorail from Miami to Miami Beach has been revealed.

County Mayor Carlos Gimenez told Miami Beach commissioners at a workshop yesterday that the monorail would begin at the Resorts World Miami site in downtown Miami and end on public land at Fifth & Alton in South Beach.

A new Metromover station would be created at the Resorts World site, Gimenez said, offering connections to the monorail, buses, and trolleys all at the same place.

Gimenez said he expected Genting to build a big transit oriented development at the Resorts World site that takes advantage of the thousands of commuters expected to use the system. The county is forecasting 15,000 daily boardings.

The total length of the monorail is four miles.

Ticket pricing would be different from the county’s transit system, although holders of monthly and weekly county passes would use the monorail free.

Gimenez called the proposal viable and attractive, saying it was substantially less costly than the $1 billion number that had been tossed around for the line previously. It includes a significant private contribution of $150 million, and doesn’t require any lengthy federal funding application. Annual maintenance for the privately run system is also low, he said.

There is no mention or requirement of gaming in the proposal, Gimenez added.

The County’s RFP is expected to be released in September, he said. County commissioners will then decide on proposals in March 2020, and Genting would be permitted to modify their proposal to respond to the RFP in the interim.

The RFP would require a connection to other modes of transit such as Metromover or Metrorail, but allow competing bids proposing Bus Rapid Transit.

Yesterday, Florida’s two senators “expressed grave concerns and alarm” over the fact that the monorail technology originates in China, according to the Herald. Several local politicians have voiced similar concerns.

A letter from the bidders said last week that the manufacturer is BYD North America, which trades on the Hong Kong Stock Exchange and is Buy America compliant.

 

 

Two related presentations made at the workshop yesterday:


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Anonymous

If we are going to go through with this, the county should force the monorail to end at Government Center. That would make it MUCH more useful for local commuters because it would remove once less transfer. Clearly this is designed to benefit Genting so they can market their fancy monorail from casino straight to South Beach. Let’s get our elected officials to make sure this monorail serves us just as much as it does Genting.

Anonymous

This guy speaks the truth.

Anonymous

How you know is a guy?

Anonymous

And up to the convention center so you don’t have to make a bus connection

William

Agreed. It has to begin and end at significant points that are destinations for all of us. Not just tourists or genting customers.

Anonymous

Also their cruise ships. Getting owns NCL.

Anonymous

Who is “Getting?”

Anonymous

WOW

Anonymous

No not anymore they sold controlling interest awhile ago. They own crystal

Polo

If you are putting 150 million dollars of your own money, the county should not force Genting to take the monorail to Government Center. Taking the monorail to Government Center thru a dense urban area will add 500 million dollars to the price tag of the project. If Genting benefits from the monorail, so what?! County government will never build it. They are inept on building anything, except on spending more than a billion dollars to add Lexus lanes on I-95 to increase there revenue by charging drivers more than $10.00 dollars during rush hour! Finally, it will be an easy transfer on the Metromover from Government Center to the Genting property on a system that it’s already in place.

Anonymous

Lexus lanes are a FDOT project not County

Anonymous

Lexus lanes are great.
If you are worth $250 per hour, it’s always worth it to take the Lexus lane.

Anonymous

Don’t forget the 250mil we the tax payers paying to accommodate genting

Carlos

Yes they are adding $150 but that is only a percentage of the cost, the rest has to be covered by the government ( bigger percentage) so yes it has to benefit the public also.

Anonymous

how about you send that to the city officials instead of here where we are all just bored realtors xxoo love ya

Anonymous

Relax Baby Cakes….it will never happen, just like the casino.

Anonymous

The Government should not FORCE private citizens to build anything.

Anonymous

They want $250 million of public $ for barely 4 miles of track and millions more every year to operate it. The local government damn well better set the rules.

Anonymous

So true with our tax dollar

Flymia

This is such a short sighted plan. Just stop at Alton and 5th. Then what? Two stations? Disney World has better transit.

We need comprehensive transit, not some bandaids here and there.

Anonymous

you are so right. i pick you as the winner of this chat stream

Anonymous

Like this one proposed in 2007: http://bit.ly/rrcFP6

Anonymous

Riders can go to Ross Dress For Less. South Beach Baby!

Anonymous

This project is designed to help Genting get residents from Miami Beach to Miami an Vic versa for their project. They can really care less about how inconvenient it will be for commuters to get there to use their service. More corrupt Miami politics, big developer wants to use their money to get our job done we’ll take it! Instead of getting it done right let’s take the easiest less expensive route! So what happens if this unknown rail company goes out of business? What happens if Genting and the county doesn’t agree on something down the road? To many risky factors just to build something cheaper and quick rather than doing it the right way the first time! All in all I’m still happy someone stepped up (Genting) to bring us something our backwards thinking mayor couldn’t… This really makes him look bad an hopefully next election we can get someone in there younger that understand the needs of the people who pay his salary.

Anonymous

If they want to get residents from Miami Beach to Miami and vice versa, then cutting this Monorail short to just 5th and Alton will in no way get the riders they want each way. It’s going to require a Monorail system much longer than what they’re proposing.

Anonymous

Be open to the possibility that the people who understand budgets, understand, that Baylink is a dumb idea. This Genting idea is worse.
There are 100’s of buses daily.

Spending $1,000,000,000 to solve a problem that doesn’t exist is stupid.

Anonymous

Guys you have to remember, the county commissioners only ride public transit for photo ops. Metrorail to Metromover to Monorail to something else would not be a very seamless experience. Especially for those without monthly or weekly passes who will need to buy additional tickets to use it. Last time I checked, it was still more expensive to buy a monthly pass than buying individual fares for commuters who only use transit twice a day Monday through Friday.

Anonymous

Correct. 90$ for Mon-Fri; 120$ monthly pass

Anonymous

errr… I’m no mathemagician but $4.50 (out and back metrorail) + $4.50 daily parking X 5 days per week = $180.00 per month. Monthly pass + parking pass (the heart of the deal) = $123.75 and you can use on weekends etc. :/

Anonymous

Err… who uses Metrorail on the weekends except for special events? Not all of us live in Suburbia and need to pay for parking. Also, I know some people with a Handicap hookup that don’t pay for parking.

Anonymous

The Genting Plan does not preclude and extension to either Overtown/Brightline or direct to Government Center. The extension would provide an express link to the Brightline trains from Orlando and to Metrorail/Tri Rail systems for South Florida. A route on the FEC ROW with a stop near to the School Board Metromover station would be ideal

Anonymous

It would make sense for the metromover to be expanded up North Miami Ave.

Anonymous

it makes to much sense for them to actually do it

Anonymous

Heck, it would make sense to expand the metromover to anywhere in Miami/Dade.

Anonymous

you need to make some sense mister !!

Anonymous

Even when there’s an underserved railway line, it makes sense to destroy a street with a giant overpass because some hipsters want a free train ride?

Anonymous

On the Lexus lanes!

Anonymous

China has no business in solving Miami public transportation.

Afi K James

I know, we need made in america

Anonymous

You’re right.. especially since officials in Miami have been doing such a bang-up job solving the problems in the last twenty years.

Anonymous

I’ve lived here 20+ years and it seems tho get better every year.

When there was a only 4 total lanes, one bridge (and was a drawbridge on the MacArthur, at the Herald), now that sucked.

Anonymous

they should n’t have any business solving miami public transportation but our local politicians act like it is none of their business, so some one else has to get the job done

KC Jones

This should be a maglev solution, the latest and greatest technology that is better in performance, maintenance and upkeep than the antiquated BYD technology which is the 50 year old rubber tired technology. The Chinese have developed the greatest maglev technology derived and improved from the German (Seimans). Maglev is used now in China for rapid transit as well as urban transit and is second to none globally. We are not set up in the US to deploy this technology. Rick Scott pushes cars and highways, why else did he not except funds from the Obama admin for rapid transit. Rubio panders to the cuban mob that will oppose anything Chinese because of its communist-authoritarian government. If Miami Dade want to make Miami a 21 century city, it needs to took to 21 century solutions at the best market price. Miami can’t be a global city with its current transit solutions and accepting a cheaper solution from a self-serving gaming company will yield more problems that doesn’t serve the interest of the people of Miami Dade.

Afi K. James

because china is just as corrupt and we need to stop making deals for china and end all of these nasty trade agreements, I want American jobs and American jobs ONLY!

Anonymous

China steals technology from the Germans and Japanese, and Rick Scott saved us money in the long-run when Brightline came out of it. BTW, Genting is Malaysian owned by an overseas Chinese, not mainland goons.

Anonymous

Well America won’t do it… it’s had 30 years to try. So it’s time to let someone from the outside try.

Anonymous

Buy America should be American owned

marc

You would think

Anonymous

lets make Miami great again !!!

Anonymous

This all seems shady.

Anonymous

I’d rather have Genting build this as it is versus nothing at all. Don’t AOC/Amazon this up.

Anonymous

Plenty of casinos have in vegas have monorails going to only two destinations, not sure why people think this is the only new transit option that is going to happen.

Anonymous

Come on, it would be a great touristic attraction…the causeway is the best scenery in So. Florida.

Anonymous

That’s about the only good argument for the Baylink. But you might as well just suspend some gondolas.

Anonymous

WTF? It’s a City, not suburb. Everything is transit orientated.

Realist

What are you al complaining about, this friking company is going to build in no time what all those corrupt politicians didn’t do in YEARS sooo Yall can say thank you At least it’s something otherwise 15 more years or studies and smoke.

Anonymous

Does anyone know what public land at 5th and Alton they are talking about? Cause looking at the property appraiser site I don’t see any public land – except for a tiny Municipal parking lot at 4th and Alton.

Anonymous

It could be on that proposed tower with the giant elevated park.

Anonymous

Its robably the parking structure in the 5th & Alton Shops. That is a P3 that was always set up with a transit stop in mind.

Anonymous

A monorail from someplace no one is to some place no one wants to go. OK, makes sense.

For clarity, 5th & Alton is not by any means a destination. 10th & Washington and 17th & Washington are places people are and want to go.

Smart THINKING !

GENTING – if you know anything about this horrible company- rapes forests in Malayasia
there are no more forests, as they raze land for palm oil plantations
…. this is one of the most anti-friendly earth companies. Please! Let us NOT do business with this company!

Anonymous

Any proposal for Genting to build the monorail should include an absolutely mandatory requirement that there be generous public space on the Genting lot that allows for public circulation to and from the monorail w/o having to pass through the Genting building/casino, including a seamless connection with Metromover.

What would make a lot more sense would be to not introduce a third mode of transit into the mix. We already have Metrorail and Metromover. Metromover should just extend across the causeway to Miami Beach, extending the current system and allowing single-seat rides. Monorails are great and sexy, but the speed gains aren’t that important for such a short haul spur. if China wants to build the maglev from Miami to NYC, I say let them go crazy.

Anonymous

the 2 Senators have great concerns, but they can resolve those concerns by bringing in federal money to extend the metro train.

Anonymous

Can anyone explain Carlos Gimenez that public transportation is not only connecting point a with point B.
if this is approved traveling from MIA to South Beach will take at least three transfers.

Anonymous

Miamians are so gullible for these pretty pictures. Suckers and idiots. Pictures like this date to 1980 and never completed even started. Complete third world city with much more money to steal.

Anonymous

at the end of the beach corridor rapid transit presentation thing in this post, there is a public engagement section at the end with 3 contacts to voice any concerns or feedback.

Anonymous

Isn’t there a way to extend the Metromover from the Museum Park Station or Omni Station across the causeway to the beach? Put the money to that solution rather than to another system. Make it a seamless trip. This city is being so poorly planned that I’m concerned that people – the ones you want to stay – will start leaving in droves. What’s left will be cocktails, nails and leased Bentleys. Bye bye Miami.

Anonymous

The object of these elected officials in this city is to not do something that makes sense, their goal is to spend tax payers money on stupid sh*t.

Anonymous

It should be metro rail from culmer along the new 395 to a stop near genting(by now I wish to avoid them for giving us a half azz plan) then cross over and follow the whole way…. That just leaves culmer and the metro mover as the transfers from green and orange…which isnt ideal(but every plan has it being atleast a transfer on the metro mover to another new system)

Or do it big once and build a new platform right overtown and follow overhead the fec to the port and build a terminal at seafares park or similar location then A.tunnel and resurface near the coast guard or further onto south beach(we’re spending bucks that shouldve been spent years ago not my fault) or B. a awesome swing bridge across Gov cut

Anonymous

Wonder if they will cloud the Windows like the buses do so you can’t even see outside.

Anonymous

Point being it should be seemless non transfer from airport to South Beach….that should be the goal. Orange line is the airport to South Beach make it happen

Strong Arm

They need to just extend the metro mover from the omni to south beach. but the county mayor is never going to create a solid plan for that and just stall forever because the lobbyists kickbacks aren’t as big as private companies.

Anonymous

They should take bids from other notable monorail and infrastructure builders, not just this Genting boondoggle to prop their own casino bid and property values. They need to bring in Japanese companies, they are experts in infrastructure building at feasible prices.

Anonymous

Only one stop in Miami Beach at the already congested 5th and Alton? This is absurd and will never happen.

Dokter

If, according to FDOT, the ROW to support this project along the MacArthur Causeway in on the south side, how will it access the Genting (Herald site). And, Mayor, rather than saying, “Gee, I don’t know, the proposal doesn’t mention gaming…”, how about requiring a restrictive covenant in any deal? Obviously, I’m anti-casino.

Anonymous

Don’t know why?
You don’t have to gamble if you don’t want but let others have their fun.
You’re selfish

Anonymous

Dokter, it’s not just about you.

Dokter

I enjoy gambling. I also have an appreciation for the devastation that a casino on that site would cause to both Miami Beach and mainland businesses, not to mention the myriad externalities that would arise. One of thousands of consumer and academic articles on the subject, chosen at random: https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/08/a-good-way-to-wreck-a-local-economy-build-casinos/375691/
If it’s above your reading level, I’m sure there’s a YouTube video that will break it down for you.

Anonymous

Dude, you live a city and county that faces “devastation” every year from hurricanes. Face it, your reasoning is null because South Florida is a place that already faces a myriad of earthly devastation that they’re already spending millions of dollars right now to counter and prepare for.. like flooding due to Global Warming.

Anonymous

I see.. some people who come on this site really hate it when you speak the truth.

NYC Loves Miami

Fear porn. I’m sure there are plenty of areas that added casinos that didn’t produce major crime increases. I also think with the population growth and increased tourism, Miami will be able to absorb another casino economically. In fact, the gaming industry will be highlighting such reports shortly. I do believe Resorts World would be catering to an higher end market. I’ve seen this in Atlantic City. TOTALLY DIFFERENT clientele at The Borgata than at Ballys Casino. Big difference!

Anonymous

i have been to gentings resort in asia its beautifully done and very family friendly….it is not magic city or even hard rock….much much higher end

Anonymous

“Obviously, I’m anti-casino.”

You would’ve fit right in with the Crusaders back in the day who were “Anti-Muslim.”

Afi K James

We need a huge casino.

Anonymous

That’s what people in Atlantic City though. Ask them about how well that turned out.

Anonymous

Atlantic City sucked before the casinos came, and Trump helped it suck even more after they got them.

Afi K. James

B******!